As many people may, or may not know TPU's messageboard has been murdered!

The whole TPU site, demolished.


As many may not know, the BBS was quite popular among users and many people were not happy when it went down with TPU.org. Some even threatened not to help with Hprog.


Well, wouldn't it be cool if we could get TPU members who didn't agree with moving to HProg to come to YPN? Afterall, isn't YPN the only popular site left for young people? As far as I know, people at TPU were all teens or a bit older, which counts as young.

So, now that TPU is gone and many will be uncomfortable with the WIKI, I prognosticate, traffic to YPN will soon be increasing with new people that head to TPU and see an ugly WIKI, or with people unhappy with the Admin's decision to kill the BBS.

Just a thought, but I can see some TPU members are active more here already

Also, if Partyfish is launched, it could bring even more BBS fans from TPU and old YPN users back as YPN has been planning to get that software up for awhile (so I've heard).

This would be the perfect time to launch a new messageboard.

Maybe some old members can seek out TPUers and get them to come.

Wouldn't that be cool?

[ This Message was edited by: kenikov on 2003-07-15 06:53 ]

I concur.
YPN can be rivived by the slaughter of TPU. [addsig]

Well, I think it's disappointing that people are unwilling to help with HProg, but I do understand your sentiments. As you may or may not know, many of the TPU admins have frequently had disputes with members of YPN, so the thought of losing our beautiful community to this place after 6 years brings to mind: "Over my dead body". If it's not at all possible for you to get over any reservations you might have about HProg, then may I recommend you join http://www.free2code.net ?
Free2Code is a friendly community which features a lot of young-ish people, and reminds me of TPU about 3-4 years ago.

Please, do stop in at HProg occasionally though.

Gian

I am do not have that big of a problem with killing the BBS, but I did see some members did have problems with it.

I think Taubz said he would not use the WIKI?

I am sure though, you have seen the other disagreements at the TPU messageboards about this topic.





[ This Message was edited by: kenikov on 2003-07-15 08:03 ]

Im so glad theres this place cause i was gettin kind of mad at the peeps at the wiki.

kenikov.... you're definitely going to be one of the new admins I think that is a great idea . As soon as I'm done with this other project I'm doing I'll begin pounding away at partyfish again. IT WILL BE UP BY THE END OF SUMMER!!!! [addsig]

Hopefully so.


I heard RDD wants to do something with the software. I think we should hear from him in the next couple of days.

Maybe YPN can represent (just a bit) of the good in TPU. Maybe the dedicated TPU members could come to YPN.

Afterall, YPN's competition is 0 now. All people looking for a place dedicated to the young will come here.

As for Hprog, they have too much competition in better established sites like ProgrammersHeaven, or Free2Code.

Maybe I can get some people from other sites to come that aren't complete newbies.

If it works, YPN should be stronger than ever


[ This Message was edited by: kenikov on 2003-07-15 12:59 ]

[ This Message was edited by: kenikov on 2003-07-15 13:00 ]

Kenikov,

How can you compare HProg to ProgrammersHeaven or Free2Code? Those two sites are available to distribute tutorials. HProg certainly is not a tutorial site.

Split, come on, I expected more from you.

Please, you and I both know ProgrammersHeaven and Free2Code offer much more than JUST tutorials.

And, to speak the truth, we both know they have much more to offer than Hprog.

Of course, none of them are dedicated to the Youth like YPN.

First, let me say that I am not against the HProg wiki, however, I believe there are two problems with it:

i) It isn't youth orientated (that's good for a wiki, but I came to TPU because it was youth orientated.

ii) I believe a wiki and a bulletin board can coexist in harmony together.

Thus, I will be a regular here from now onwards (but I will still contribute to HProg).

As Smerdyakov has decided that TPU shall come to an end (and lets face it, he should have the choice as he has held it together for half a decade), I feel that YPN may attract the teenagers from TPU (TPU/HProg is mostly young adults now.)

Maybe this will be the beginning of something new for YPN, maybe not.

I may or may not contribute to the software here. I have some plans in the pipeline to write something (that I'm not gonna talk about because I've only thought about it in the abstract, I'm no where near coding it yet.

I do suggest to anyone who is here that they also contribute to the wiki. (There is no reason not to use a BBS and a wiki at the same time, and please don't not contribute because you feel either a "them and us" situation arising, I sincerely hope that does not happen.

Oh, yes. One other thing. Who are the administrators around here?

[ This Message was edited by: C_Rdd on 2003-07-16 06:41 ]

You're looking at him. KaGez is the only other one who has been doing anything, but that's with partyfish only, not on the site itself. [addsig]

Okay, so after I read this business book (I have lots of free time), I came to a conclusion about Hprog and Hprog's feature. I whipped this up on IM talking to another person about why Hprog is driving itself off a cliff.

I always thought I was pretty good at business for a fifteen-year old. My explanation is a bit confusing sense I didn't have time to organize it, sorry. Read and tell me what you think:


TPU, which was originally targeted for teens was in a form of business in which were almost no competition (on the internet world) existed. TPU had made its mark since it was invented in 1996. YPN barely stood a chance, though it worried Smerdyakov (thus he wanted to Unite). Then he got older and insecure that he was spending his time on a Teen site (he felt like a loser). Then, he decided to take a step into a different business (lets call it). Instead of keeping the one he had dominated and had the organization well established in. He changed his business to General Programming Community . He just shot himself in the foot as bigger and better sites with more money for advertising like ProgrammersHeaven, Free2Code already dominate with more users and material besides the ad power they have. Then after, leaving YPN all alone drawing angry TPU users and people looking for a site dedicated to Young people to go to, since TPU has been eliminated YPN's competition is basically zero right now, thus they have a monopoly over what could have been trouble of TPU still existed. Smerdyakov did this for his own good as well, he didn't listen to anybody. TPU was doing good, but he wanted to unite YPN because he was worried. HOWEVER, he stated his point for uniting YPN and TPU was "Why do we need two sites for the same purpose?" Exactly. Except, in this case, YPN now is the only popular site in its field while Hprog has entered a new field, unexperienced with no money, against bigger and stronger sites.

My prediction on HProg's future in short? It will do great all summer. Users are testing the WIKI and loving it. Trying it out.

By the time school comes around, the main users (Teens) will get bored with the Wiki as they get bored with everything that doesn't involve entertainment like the Internet or TV (truthfully, you know this to be true).

So, the main users bored by the WIKI after the summer and consumed by work from school will not contribute much.

In short, it will just old TPU, without the Forum chatter. In other words, finished.

Which is good for us [addsig]

I thinkif you want to look at it in business terms, all Smerdyakov is doing is extending his products lifecycle. However, TPU is a community not a product. Some people seem angry with Smerdyakov, TPU needed something to reinvigorate it and this is what a lot of TPU memebers thought was best. As effective as the wiki may be, I feel I would like a place to communicate using a BBS with others of a similar age, than simply contributing to a wiki.

I just hope that HProg doesn't follow the 'straw on fire' product lifecycle model (Does very well initially, but flops shortly after launch).

[ This Message was edited by: C_Rdd on 2003-07-16 23:15 ]

Well, I seriously doubt the younger people and even University students that have a life will continue to make new WIKI pages everyday when they get into school.

However, school doesn't start for awhile, and the people should get bored with the WIKI since their really is not communicating but just opinions.


I just went to Hprog and read that they are thinking about buying the cheap advertising space behind a science magazine like Astronomy or Physics.

I always talk about the difficulty level of Astronomy and Physics compared to programming (at a professional scientific level, both are much harder). They seem to disparage both Astronomy and Physics, now they want to advertise in their Magazines?

What a bunch of hypocrites.

[ This Message was edited by: kenikov on 2003-07-17 03:25 ]

Well, I just went back there to tell them how stupid and desperate they looked by saying how Astronomers and Physicists aren't as "good" as computer scientists.

I also stated that why would you need their help, when you make fun of themm all the time on IRC?

They deleted my comment.

I doubt anybody at that site actually knows anything about the ethics or true intentions of Science.

I can even say with confidence that they don't even know what "Cl" stands for on the periodic table. [addsig]

Chlorine.

ciao! [addsig]

I thought this was you already made your last post here.

How long did your google search take for you to figure that out?

Good job insulting Astronomy and Physics. I hang around a lot at those places, I'll be sure to let them know what you think of them.

[addsig]

Kenikov, why have you got it in for HProg. If your complaining about them complaining about someone else, doesn't it make you a hypocrite because you're complaining about them. There is no reason to intentionally distance HProg from YPN. Why not just leave things and let time decide what happens?

There has been dissagrements on various agendas...But I don't believe this is an accpetable reason from tribalism, simply use the sites you like and ignore those you donot.

"Kenikov, why have you got it in for HProg. If your complaining about them complaining about someone else, doesn't it make you a hypocrite because you're complaining about them. There is no reason to intentionally distance HProg from YPN. Why not just leave things and let time decide what happens?"

Simply because of the comments from them I read on IRC about Astronomers/Astronomy and Physics.

They act as if Astronomy is totally useless and Physicists are not as great as Computer Scientists (basically in those words).

And now they want their help?

Whoa...why do they need their [Astronomer and Physicists] help?

I don't know.


They are planning to buy ads in their magazines.


Maybe they read my theory about how they didn't have advertising power [addsig]

Hey there. I haven't tried the wiki and I haven't been active here for a long time.. I haven't even been programming for a while, and I doubt I will do it a lot in the near future.

However, I do think I will submit stuff occasionally here, and I do think that it can be a nice place for young programmers to exchange knowledge.. We shouldn't, however, make this some kind of a war. We could peacefully co-exist with TPU, we can co-exist with the wiki etc.

About our prospects: I think it's by large up to the members themselves. Of course, there is some responsibility on the admins (that would include me, I guess). I think we had some kind of a plan on how to distribute responsibility better, I'm very interested in working that out, if I'm not unwanted or something. I know I haven't been helpful for the last year, so I don't want to come around and put my nose in what is not my business.

With the release of partyfish and its projects section, I hope that there will be a couple of exciting projects launching. That could even bring me back to programming.

You see, TPU is dead. We can't coexist with something that is dead. It is like you co-existing with Prime Minister John A. McDonald.

HProg has nothing to do with us. It is in a whole different field and it has to worry about ProgrammersHeaven now.

YPN doesn't have much to worry about. Launching Partyfish the sooner the better. Closer to when school starts and action to Hprog has slowed down (quite positive it will).

We can advertist there as a "project" as they did here, except more respectfully.

[ This Message was edited by: kenikov on 2003-07-18 04:13 ]

Wait a sec! What is wiki in the first place?

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[ This Message was edited by: themaximus on 2003-07-18 21:47 ]

Its a group dedicated to witchcraft and magic.

no, its bascialy a way a group can make a website...like anyone who wants can make or edit a page.

Thanks! I was kinda getting lost there. [addsig]

Quote:
On 2003-07-18 04:11, kenikov wrote:
You see, TPU is dead. We can't coexist with something that is dead.


sorry, was supposed to put that in past tense. we co-existed with TPU as long as it existed.

and by the way, I'm not worried about competition, what has always brought YPN down , or at least kept it in stagnation, was that people weren't active enough.

with partyfish, hopefully it'll be easier and more fun to be active.

That would be great! It would be nice to see it as active as it was when I came here last year [addsig]

"sorry, was supposed to put that in past tense. we co-existed with TPU as long as it existed."

Of course you Co-existed with TPU. How can you not?

It was there. It is not like you owned it.

What are you going to do? You don't have a choice whether you want to co-exist with them or not. I just leave them alone except for a few members now. Most of them, I find psychotic (on a serious note, go to their IRC channel, you will see).

What are you going to do? "Oh, I don't want to co-exist with TPU, so I'll go to Psion's house and smash-up his server!!! HAHAHA, that will teach him".

Your other choice would be to co-exist.

Obviously, co-exisitng was the only logical choice there was.

kenikov, why do you post here? You don't program, and all you do on these boards is insult programmers.

Why don't you check out http://physicsforums.com? They are very active and have things related more to your interests.

It seems like the only reason you're posting now is because you dislike Smerdyakov and want to see HProg fail.

Hey, aren't you that guy on IRC I always tell that makes a fool out of himself because of his dumb assumptions backed by even more inane assumptions?

Okay, that's enough. Break it up! [addsig]

Yeah, lets not get carried away here...we dont want YPN to be corrupted also...

They're not assumptions.

I will defend that claim upon request.

Oh wow, how creative! That post really emphasizes on your intelligence. Really, I mean it. It speaks lots about you...



In order to get the last word, I've given you this link that I thought described you well:

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html

Have a nice day.

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[ This Message was edited by: kenikov on 2003-07-22 08:35 ]

Please do not make things up.

If you are going to lie, lie about something constructive that will help.

Have some dignity. If you are going to try to attack someone, don't do it under an anonymous name like some chicken s@!t. You do know how to sign-up for an accound right? Assuming that is up to your ability.


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[ This Message was edited by: kenikov on 2003-07-22 09:10 ]

Why are annonymous posts even allowed here?

I agree. It makes it easier for trolls to come attack and just leave. They know you can't ban them and it just gives them a chance to attack members and never show-up again.

Sites like flag.blakened.net have these problems all the time. [addsig]

kenikov: I wrote "peacefully co-exist", which means we didn't have any big time competition. hard to grasp? I don't think so.