Any one here running XP? [addsig]

wow .... what a Question.... but I have windowsXP (ofcourse I didn't buy this "toy"), but I dun really like it:/ Fisher Price! And, unstable That's why it only has 5GB of my 60GB harddrive
The best windows is win98SE imho.
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Yeah, that's really personal opinion. I was running ME like a year ago and it crashed on me about every hour. XP for me is really stable and hasn't crashed yet. Plus there are alot of cool things you can do with it. [addsig]

There are a lot of cool programs out there especially for XP. StyleXP, TweakXP, BootXP etc. You must not spend to much time on XP or you would realize it's supperiority to all other versions. You can't tell me that it's not nice to have drag and drop cd burning capabilities. [addsig]

but the burning software of xp really lollipops!
i like xp tho i changed all bg and start button because its ugly and better for babys. I've got xp pro and normal both downloaded with KaZaa hehe...

you wanna know what windows is getting more and more? It's getting bloated, bloated and even more bloated. I mean, who the hell needs that built-in-CD-burning ability? If I need to burn a CD I got get myself Nero or CD-Creator, which are a _lot_ faster, and don't scandisk up my CDs. That's only 1 little thing that bloats XP like hell. Another thing are those damned wizards that just sit in your way and pretend to "help" you. Imagine what else those _many_ CPU cycles could be used for.
Everything is moving even without you doing anything, everything looks like the inside of a small kids toybox (c'mon, just look at it), it's slow, and it's not that stable at all. Compared to linux it's hell unstable (ok, I know, I shouldn't mention Linux in here, but what should I compare it to? ok, *BSD would be there too, and Solaris, but does anybody have ever used them in here?).
The media player is unneededly slow too, with pop-up-here-and-there tricks.
And, over all, this thing costs _hell_ much money if you want to buy it legally. I mean, it's a product that still is in Beta, or maybe even Alpha stage, and they sell it for a huge amount of money.

One final thing:
I've written this and tried to compare it as less as possible wiht any other operating system. Thos above are just plain facts, and what I've seen in windows. You can't blame me for the facs.
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A big reason I stick with 98se, But Linux is goin same way, reason I figured I would just stick with Windows till I get a second computer, you can argue the Linux can be made unbloated, so can Windows, and Windows is easier for me, with no learning curve, as Linux would require quite a bit of time.

But this Windows board was not put here to be used as a Windows vs Linux threads, stop tring to say one is more supream, both are good for their reasons and Users. Leave it at that.

sacah: I don't think that Linux will ever get bloated...sure, if you use SuSE Linux standard installation. But with any real distro (one with bawlz), you only get a small and fast minimum core installation. All the rest is installed additionally manually.

Sorry for so much Linux specific stuff in here but if somebody says things about Linux I can'T stay quiet! [addsig]

lol, I knew you could not help answerin that bloated stuff, I go everyday without talkin to ppl who nonstop say Windows lollipops. Its the same in each boat, live with it!
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Please remember that the Windows forum was not created for MS vs. Linux threads, just as sacah said.

Sure. But I don't think I have said anything against our all time favourite OS Microsoft Windows. I just responded to a claim which could not be left uncommented. [addsig]

Hehe, I know, I know... The "bloatedness" of Linux is much less possible, and much smaller in extend than Microsoft's, and it will always be. And that is because there are so many developers working on Linux, as it's an open source project. That is a fact.

Linux is just a kernel though - however, the surrounding software is usually also developed and debugged by a lot of people. You probably can't avoid all bugs, say, X crashes at times, but it's not even comparable to how Windows works from a software developing perspective.

And the issue is not even about this - just because Linux is less buggy than Windows, everybody won't feel like Linux is a better choice, on some sort of factual or subjective basis. And it's a personal choice, throwing arguments to each others' heads won't be very convincing.

Now, let's put an end to such discussions in the Windows board, and move it to either the Linux forum or something. Or else this forum will be about nothing else but Windows vs Linux... Which in turn would make it rather useless.

Have a nice day, gentlemen .

Linux not bloated? Ask any microkernel fan about that ;)
Linux - the kernel - is known to be the most bloated one out there. And RedHat/Mandrake aren't exactly making small and clean distribution. Anyway, we all know you can make small distros. I'd like to see a one-floppy Windows with networking and ssh ;)

robert: and your point is? What I tried to say was that Linux isn't perfect but there are major differences between its development and that of Windows, that enables it to be less bloated (and evolve a lot quicker).

Acting like Linux is perfect is stupid. But acting like Windows is any better is, too. Blaming linux fans for bigotry is also stupid when the windows fans who say that are equal bigots .

ok, cut it out!
This was created for you guys to talk about windows _coding_ issues, and not things like this. If there are only such discussions, the forum will be away again.
This is stuff that either belongs into the bubbling thingy or general section.

Have a nice day!
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Actually, you should post about programming issues in the programming forums (eg. C/C++, VB). Not in here.

That brings up the question: why do we have a windows forum? I realized that it's not logical.

We are a programmer community. We don't need stuff like "how do I set my desktop background". As programming issues are passed to the programming forums (quite logically), it leaves nothing to the windows forum.

The Linux forum is a totally different thing - Linux is truly a coder/hacker OS, and as its source is free and so is that of most of its software, most questions that might be posted in the forum will always be something that you need to hack or code. That is not the issue with Windows - I doubt a programmer can't set up Windows. And we're not Young Computer Newbies Network after all.

WWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! I NEED XP!!!!

That is exactly what I said, why do we need a Windows forum? It's not logical at all. [addsig]

OH quit tooting your own damn horns about Linux. Linux is no better than the next OS out there. It offers nothing more than unix ever did, so why keep putting it on a pedestal and worshipping it as your god? There's nothing "Code/Hacker" about the thing. Over half the stuff in it you can (and probably you yourselves) do from the GUI, and the other stuff is just config files. Linux is no better than NT/2k/XP (and don't bring 9x into this, that's like comparing apples and rotten bananas)

Anyhow, I think you need someone like me shaking things up around here before you brainwash the whole damn lot that Linux and the "Open-source" hippie movement are the only ways to go [addsig]

-->-->I've written this and tried to compare it as less as possible wiht any other operating system. Thos above are just plain facts, and what I've seen in windows. You can't blame me for the facs. (ooo! Look! I read the FAQ!)
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You tell 'em -Ken- ! [addsig]

I own and use windows XP on my main machine and have Mandrake 8.1 on my other machine. I just started learning linux and the problem is with programming, school, and social activities it is very hard to make time to just learn a new OS.

I am not bashing linux at all because I want to make it my primary OS but I haven't the time to learn it. [addsig]

I'm an XP user and happy to be one.
Ive never kept a computer without reformating longer than a month; i like to *PUSH* my box in terms of messing with the o/s and hardware and doing anything that looks interesting. I've not had *a single crash* on my box since i XP'd it more than half a year ago.
It's extremely stable if you update it now and then
VERY R.A.D. for coding: look at v studio .NET or smth, other platforms may encourage open source more, but imo, you either code your own o/s or use someone else's (or both), but why should having the source to my o/s' kernel be important?
Dont misunderstand me though; i've never had any interest in coding prettey doze apps or anyth, but with .NET, if i wanted to, i could code my sweet AI state machine (or whatever) in C# or ASM or Java and practically drag and drom it into a form and im ready to go. people can then d/l + run my s/w, knowing that their computer is completely safe despite the assembly containing raw machine code or whatever.
I use 'nix and similar from time to time, but it seems too many people use it just because its fashionable. Ok, so if i had a conscience and actually felt the need to PAY for all my s/w i might think differently (or get a new hobby: Maya would've cost me 16K!).
OK, so linux is open source, but worldwide, there are a whole lot more amateur doze coders, more resources available (From M$ as well as ppl online).
Think about it, how many of you ppl reading this code with VI or EMACS running _under X_? people think that using archaic software that leaves them spending less time about what they're actually coding makes them leet in some way. it doesnt!
right: i love linux and similar for loads of applications: any network services etc., real time critical thin applications, i definitely think it should be running on most school/uni./library machines, like DEFINITELY, but nix is definitely no platform to code _on_.
people like to complain so much!
wahts wrong with cd burning on XP? when i had 98, i used Nero 5 and was quite happy with that, but havent bothered installing it again since i have full 16x burning in xp for files and music.
on the subject, wmplayer8 does prettey well too. i put in a CD and it happily sends all my tracks to hdd in wmf (work it out; 40G hdd, at 64kbps=much music,&@much better quality than mp3 pf same rate), gets me track names and album art/whatever prontish, sorts my library out nicely, burns whatever whenever wuite happily. now, there might be 50 other pcs of s/w that do that for me elsewhere, but if im going to d/l one anyway, why complain about having it already in the o/s?
well anyway, in short, i think that from a coding perspective, 'nix etc fares a lot better for people who like to sit and figure out and tweak their own machine for hours on end rather than focusing on what their actually running/coding.
like how people complain about how they cant play around with windows enough; they want to skin it or have raw drive access or whatever... why? i know so many people who spend hours a night writing shell scripts or buggering up their kernel, and claim that this makes them more efficient doing all the other stuff they never have time for!
find me one person who can code more efficiently in console emacs (in an X window, lol) than in visual studio.
I've never gone into graphical coding (i.e. ui coding:VB etc.) and never would, but i have as-i-type formatting of code, autocopletion of object members etc etc, pre-written build cycles and a kick-ass debugger, it gives me just as much control as anything else and takes less time.
linux is open source right, so i imagine all here-posting adocates understand: the kernel? it memory routines? interrupt structure? h/w interface layer? code security? because i dont. not all the source might be available for windows, but so what? why sit arround poring over M$ code trying to one-up them on smth? its the single most documented operating system, seriously. i mean, MS *want* ppl to code for it, and they have the resources-people and skills-to make that a serious reality.
Why impress people with your beautiful shell scripts, 1337 IRC speek, open source kernel tweaks that are'nt commented and use 1-letter variables to make it look like you have a clue what you're on about, and sit around drawing your pet dog in ASCII, because you like to pretend your computer is too pure to use non human readable data formats?
Allright, so im probably talking about a very small group of people up there, and im sure it doesnt apply to most people reading this, i just find it funny (ps:that was a long sentence)
OK, im getting pretty bored now and realising ive been talking crap so far, but just to finish, i showed my five year old sister how to navigate/use/play around with my doze bok in all of twenty minutes, i mean, like, happily. i had her typing stuff in a dos box too.
bye

oo, this should be fun, a good ol' game of "Devil's Advocate"(C)(TM)(R)Parker Bros.

-->-->for coding: look at v studio .NET or smth, other platforms may encourage open source more, but imo, you either code your own o/s or use someone else's (or both), but why should having the source to my o/s' kernel be important?
Dont misunderstand me though; i've never had any interest in coding prettey doze apps or anyth, but with .NET, if i wanted to, i could code my sweet AI state machine (or whatever) in C# or ASM or Java and practically drag and drom it into a form and im ready to go. people can then d/l + run my s/w, knowing that their computer is completely safe despite the assembly containing raw machine code or whatever.
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Perhaps VS is the most _efficient_ and fastest way of doing things. But it is always the question what you want. When I code, I want to do as much as possible by myself, though I know the result may be of less quality. It's just that I want to know what's going on behind the scenes. Programming for me is not about efficiency but about fun...there's nobody paying me for my time, so there's no need to hurry.
I think Vim is a nice thingy to develop with. Fast and small (how big is it? 5% of VS?) and it is no IDE with a great user friendly gui or so, but it is sufficient and in my opinion it is fast. If you write your code faster with VS than you'd do with Vim(as soon as you got into it a bit), then you will probably write much faster than you can think...

Anyway, I don't have anything against Windows as an OS. But I don't like Microsoft and as you said, it would be much more expensive to buy all the stuff (and I am no thief). So when I'll do Windows programming again, I'll probably start with the XEmacs or Vim port and a free compiler.

I partly agree with you on OpenSource...Most of the code on my HD was never looked into. But it's always a good oppurtunity to learn something.

And stop being proud of windows as a better system. If it were only of the same quality you were stupid to pay for it [addsig]

-KEN-:
lemme say this:
you're a complete jackass!
thx
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The reason for this forums was disscusion/help with things like Shells, Reg hacks, mod sys dlls/exe that sort of thing. That was the reason I pushed for this, I explained it before too, you all must just have short memories, I am not to sure how many ppl here do/know much about all I said above, this board will lollipop if Im the only one doin those things
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-->-->-KEN-:
lemme say this:
you're a complete jackass!
thx-->this board will lollipop if Im the only one doin those things[ This Message was edited by: -KEN- on 2002-04-05 21:31 ]

-KEN-:
you're just a little stupid windows radical boy. I bet you can't even use DOS, or can you? if you can, congratulations
Anyways, we really don't need radical ppls like you in here.... I know how much you love windows, so do I for linux. but you're like a Nazi, just not fanatic about hitler but about windows. yes you are....
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That's a double-edged sword you're swinging around there, kaggy! If I'm just a pawin in the the Windows Nazi army, what does that make you? The Linux Feuhrer? Please

-->-->you're just a little stupid windows radical boy. I bet you can't even use DOS, or can you? if you can, congratulations-->Anyways, we really don't need radical ppls like you in here

that's right! I may cause people to think for themselves! Imagine that. [addsig]

hahaaa, double edged sword.... hehe
Tell me in which way I am radical? proove it to me. I just don't see any advantages in using windows, that's all.
OK, you may be older, but age doesn't really count in the web if you ask me.
And, btw, I also used the commandline (MS-DOS 3.something) as my first OS... and, what or who is chinldish? explain it.
heh... I think it's the opposite... if somebody comes (who is radical in some way) and does posts that show his/her radicalness, it just keeps many other ppls from posting stuff if you ask me. You can say many thing also in a much less radical way.
This isn't just for -KEN-, this is for everybody. Maybe we can keep better relations if we all get a bit less radical in some way. I mean, it will just destroy relations (even good ones) if there comes somebody around and totally denies what you think... (this was no offence to anybody, just a idea) If somebody does so, it will either develop into a big flamewar, or hinders other from posting their opinions.
For example this thread (what -KEN- and I do here) is a good example. It looks like we completely deny each other, which I really think is a pitty, because I think that -KEN- is a good coder. I liked him until he started to totally (almost) deny my thoughts of OpenSource, which made me a little aggressive, as you can see above This isn't the first time we have such a thing in this community. And I'm getting sick of these big gaps between the same kind of peoples (in our example "coders"), so we should all try to also look on the "other side" of the community. Yes, I like Linux, and I don't see the advantages of winodws, but I just don't see them, even if there are any.So, I'd like to appologize to -KEN- first.
Sorry -KEN- for acting like this
And, I want all you who read this to think again if you're really doing the right thing. I don't say that you should change your philosophy about software or computers in general. I mean that you should think again how you talk with the peoples from the "other side". Maybe that will improve this community greatly
Thx for reading
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If there's one thing I've learned, it's that apologizing in an online community just pisses people off because they wanted to keep on flaming ::grumbles:: fine, fine, I forgive you Heh...sorry. Oh well, I still think you're a bit radical about Linux. Windows and Linux hae their own advantages and disadvantages, let's just leave it at that. But at least I managed to drag some closeted windows-lovers out of the woodwork [addsig]

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Right, only problem with that argument is that there's a VS.NET port for Linux


there isnt a runtime port yet is there?
my whole point is that .NET *is* cross platform; M$ obviously want to make it a big thing, thay know how to do that, and i think they'll probably succeed.


Also, on the subject of coding s/w one's self, i never include more than standard headers of anyone but me, surely that's an argument against open source, which is just ridiculous. Anyone who feels guilty having their IDE autocomplete member names instead of typing them themselves and navigating code with a suite of obscure control sequences, is a little irrational imo.

Using platforms for political reasons is great, but in reality, the world doesnt care what you do with your box anyway.

Im sorry, I have not posted anything here yet, I have been very busy lately.

But If other ppl know about all I said before, thats what this board is for, not ppl to flame about Linux vs Windows.
You know some cool reg hack, sweet altern Shells, that awesome hex hack u did, post it in this Board.
Thanks.

The best thing about doze/dos has always been debug.

I just found this cool Linux distro that is like windows but not. It's called Lycoris. It's like a compromise for Linux and Windows users, all though it is still linux, especially in the file system, but it has the look and feel of windows. And all software that comes with it works, along with Wine and Xine. It also has built in network capabilities. But the best part is the install. It is the easiest install out there, including any Windows install, you can even play solitaire while it is installing. So don't grumble over whether Linux is better than Windows or Windows is better than Linux, you gotta look at the good aspects of each OS.

Be Good

lycoris, the former "Redmond Linux"? lol

Yep, the former "Redmond".

Why use Linux when you want Windows look and feel? [addsig]

true too :/
maybe because it doesn't crash and is free?
j/k
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...maybe...

Really remarkable how fast we could turn this 'Windows board' into 'Yet another Linux board in disguise' [yalbid]

YAFTTIDCA!

[yet another f*#king thing that I don't care about] [addsig]

lol. maybe we should block the linux crowd from posting in this forum you're right it's just a linux forum in disguise, if people can't talk about windows here without being told how much it lollipops

Very true, Mabye we should post about linux lollipops and Windows rules in the Linux forums.

I did it once, and ppl had a fit.

Though thats about the only talk in this forum anyway
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Good idea! Come on ppl! Post your windows stuff in the Linux board and the other way 'round! [addsig]

lol, u like stiring too Mox
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ahem...
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ok, imo us linux fans should try leaving the windows people alone a bit i mean, they'll find the right path on their own anyway, sooner or later sacah, astroturf the forum a bit

astroturf, I prefere roads grass, harder for u linux ppl to pull up
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m? didn't get that that, what's road's grass?

sorry, something Australian farmers would only understand, its one of the many types of grass, but its roots will tunnel along under the ground, and make a new patch of grass 1-2 meters away, then it will go on and make a new on from that point, and so on, so when you try pull up one patch, its roots connect to another patch, and that patch connects to another and so on.

maybe linux users shouldn't make this a "restriced area", but maybe be less offensive in here about windows... welcome to the wold of windows

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I'm all for stirring stuff up, you people need some sort of stimulation from your daily drudgery and brainwashings... [addsig]

you wanna argue or code with us?
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I'm somewhere in between, but it sure is fun to get your panties into a frilly lil twist, kaggy. [addsig]

I wana code, but we need a bit of fun
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-KEN-:
boy, how old are you? you seem like 5 or 6 years... how about acting like a coder? coders should have a thing called "team spirit", which you obviously don't seem to have
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16, for all intents and purposes.

Team player? Because I'm not a raving fanatic about Linux and I pushed for a Windows board? Or is it because I can refute your points, almost effortlessly.

Hey, I'm an easy guy to get along with, somewhere along the line y'all developed a distaste for me and it's making my time on YPN all the more interesting. [addsig]

Ok, Ken, Kagez, stop arguing this Windows forum was not for personal debates.

ok, I don't want to argue, I just want to get this one straight with him:
for me it looks like you're acting somewhat foolish. It's just the impression I have, maybe it is false. I just wanted to know if that is your nature, or if I did something that made you do that (honestly, I can't remember to do anything to you that could be a trigger for this). Maybe you should make it clear why you're horsing around in here
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I have to argee with sacah there. Though I have one question. Was I laughing last? [addsig]

come on, dont start again.

acting like WHAT? Good Lord you people are cryptic.

But whatever, you're entitled to your own opinions. Have fun with that.