I think this place needs a windows board, I mean we all knwo that Windows owns that stupid penguin, so let's all give in to our dirty desires and slap together a windows board. That way I can be the WinGuru here

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I don't like windows very much, erverybody knows that. But who cares...give these people their windows board so they won't flood the other topics with windows messages! [addsig]

Windows rules

Ok, I'm not against it if there's any use. So what would you discuss on the Windows board?

[ This Message was edited by: Peter on 2002-03-29 10:52 ]

The won't be a windows board since we are Free Software orientated.
Reason enough?
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I don't like windows too...but there can be free software under windows [addsig]

I wasn't aware that Windows meant no free software [insert-rolleyes-smiley-that-since-I'm-not-logged-in-I-can't-find]

But anyway, this was basically a pointless troll...I didn't expect any of you to actually respond with anything positive I was just planning on calling you all communists at the end and going on my merry way.

A windows board could be useful to weed out those pesky windows-oriented questions from your windows-hating eyes [addsig]

-KEN-: hehe, good point... but I don't think this is the forum for questions like "how do I set my wallpaper?"... there is a lot more hacking/programming involved in getting linux to work, for instance.

Referring to what KaGez said: yes, we're free software oriented but I do accept the windows users in the community, I'd be stupid if I didn't.

I accept thet users too, but I don't really accept windows.
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Are you bashing windows because you think linux is so great, or are you just compensating for a tiny penis? just kidding!

Seriously, I don't see much wrong with windows. From an OS-Dev prospective it would appear to be a wonderful OS. The best GUI I've ever seen, relatively-to-almost-perfectly stable in a few platforms (98SE, XP, NT), and WinAPI is lovely code to me. I've got a subscription to MSDN magazine, even. It's pretty cool to read all about the inner workings of Windows (yeah, in linux you could just look at the source, but oh well).

Linux is pretty OK, too. Not the greatest GUI but it's very stable, has some advanced utilities, etc.

If your C/C++ forums get lots of traffic, a windows board would do well to alleviate some pressure and it could serve to field windows questions. Believe it or not even I have questions on how to do things every once in a while in windows, pretty advanced things. [addsig]

Well. Why windows makes me unhappy:

it is commercial. It costs money and almost every good app costs money too(if you want to keep to legal stuff, which I want).
the average Windows User is a dumbass when it comes to computers. That's not a problem at all, but therefor most programs treat the user just as a dumbass. I don't want to be treated like that...
Using windows I'm supporting a monopoly. I 'm seriously convinced, that it is a bad thing to have all computers around the world runniing the system created by _one_ company.
Standardised pluralism has always prooved the best ground for innovation and progress.


And you think Windows has such a great gui and is so nice? Well, you pay lots of bucks for Win and _nothing_ for Linux...Shouldn't it be very very much better than Linux then?

I'll rather stick with Linux or another alternative OS. But I just wanted to say that our criticism is not only of emotional nature. [addsig]

-->-->..not only of emotional nature

So then that's a yes on the penis thing?

-->-->it is commercial. It costs money and almost every good app costs money too(if you want to keep to legal stuff, which I want).-->the average Windows User is a dumbass when it comes to computers. That's not a problem at all, but therefor most programs treat the user just as a dumbass. I don't want to be treated like that...-->Well, you pay lots of bucks for Win and _nothing_ for Linux...Shouldn't it be very very much better than Linux then? just kidding. Linux is more of a server solution than a serious desktop OS IMHO. [addsig]

Heh, it's not the price that matters. Freedom is not about the bucks you pay.

Proprietary software takes away our freedom - that's what's wrong with it!

Btw, Linux doesn't have one GUI. It has a lot of different GUIs . Windows has one.

Freedom is what you can do with the software.
If I use windows I highly support a monopoly, which even tries to "buy" more of it's mightyness.
I think that M$ is the company with the worst attitude there can ever be.
I mean, just look at this:
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-868068.html
_This_ is _way_ more than bullshit! I mean, you can't sue a company just because it didn't get done what it wanted to do. If you could, M$ would be dead by now. Every other software company would have sued Microsoft for windows, because of a much much much much too unstable OS.
Anyway, maybe you should also read the posts below that article, because they're also quite interesting, especially the dell thread.

And, just as said above too, we're a free software oriented community (at least it's intendet to be one), so we don't support windows officially. You can post you windows coding Qs into the appropirate forum anytime, and somebody will help you for sure
And now don't tell me that you need a board for setting up windows! Actually you won't need a setup-board for Linux either, but for some advanced things like setting up a httpd, cvsd or maild or something like that, which you use rarely in windows.

Note: This post isn't intended to attack anybody in anyway personal

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Hmm...there are the windows ppl and there are the Linux ppl. Both sides see the computer world from their own perspective. I've seen dozens of discussions like this one and never had one persuaded anybody of the other side's opinion.

But I still want to add, that even you, -KEN-, have to admit that Microsoft's monopolism is pure shit .Maybe that's why you did not respond to that part of my post?

And what about that GUI stuff you keep repeating? I really wonder which GUI you tried...

btw, Linux real power is in the console and from there you can perform powerful commands about ten times faster than from your great Windows gui...

But as I mentioned before, this won't convince you and whatever you reply won't convince me...So perhaps we stop provoking each other... [addsig]

-->-->But I still want to add, that even you, -KEN-, have to admit that Microsoft's monopolism is pure shit .Maybe that's why you did not respond to that part of my post?


Eh, I tried quite a few. Some weird ones I can't remember the names of, plus gnome and KDE. I enjoyed text-mode best, but for some reason the GIMP wouldn't work in it

Linux is OK, Windows is ok...you're right, I've been in dozens or arguments and noone ever gets swayed, so we can just stop I guess... [addsig]

I agree with a Windows board, Windows is harder to hack than Linux, which means ppl should be able to gather and discuss, like they can with Linux in YPN forums, but I would agree with Ken, apart from this feelin he has a problem with how well(Im a optomist) he is hung, so has to bring it up oftern.

Linux is opensource, thats no fun, Windows you get to use a Hex editor, and Dissassembler, plus the registryis a massive load of fun to play with.

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Linux is opensource, thats no fun, Windows you get to use a Hex editor, and Dissassembler, plus the registryis a massive load of fun to play with.


Yeah sacah, maybe you're right and it is a lot of fun doing so. But don't you agree that an OpenSource system is the best learning environment imaginable?

But there seems to be some interest in a Windows board (I think there has been another such a discussion recently) and there are some arguments(most of them brought in by sacah ) supporting the idea. So put up a new board but let's call it at least "Hacking Windows" so that ppl don't think they are on microsoft.com... [addsig]

I agree there. I have been fiddling with my registry lately. It's a blast!

-->-->apart from this feelin he has a problem with how well(Im a optomist) he is hung, so has to bring it up oftern. It's a joke, take it in those terms, dude


Anyway, sure, always glad to make a difference...even when all I really wanted was a pointless flamewar...stupid nice YPN people. [addsig]

Hehe . Ok, so what do you want me to call the forum? Hacking Windows?

What about..."Windows rules and your respective OS lollipops major monkey nut"? I think it's kinda catchy

Ken thats very catchy, but I think Hacking Windows might be taken as how to hack into Windows remotly, Just calling it Windows like the Linux thread might be best Idea IMHO, I doubt the ppl here usin forums will ask silly Windows ?ions.

The Opensource programs are great for learning a high level language, usually C, I really never want to learn C, but love low level, there for I learn far more with Windows in ASM, than I would from most opensource OS/Software.

You could also have the Description reading, Ever had something you wanted to change in Windows, Or changed something rightiously sweet, Disscuss here.

Something along those lines.

oh, Ken u know I was just teasing with my 'Well Hung' comment, (-:

Your a man in your own right.
Unless your a women, but I doubt that.
(-:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010628231820/www.cprogramming.com/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=rants&Post=568&Idle=45&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=3&

It's a cache of the old board, and sunlight's one of the smartest people I've ever come across. Face it, your respective OS lollipops and owes major to Windows (Well, actually they all owe just about 70% to Xerox, but that's another story all-together) [addsig]

Nobody "ows" anyone... and imagine if ideas would have been patentable at the time.. maybe the idea of a GUI would have stayed at Xerox and died with it ...

There you got a point Peter [addsig]

And -KEN-, please tell me one reason, why I should deinstall my Linux, buy Windows for some hundred bucks, buy me all the other programs I need? Then I would owe the bank, I think... [addsig]

I would just like a Windows thread.

[ This Message was edited by: sacah on 2002-04-02 12:07 ]

hmmm ..
If we will really get hosted by a GNU member, there will 100%ly be no windows section if you ask me!
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On 2002-04-03 03:05, KaGez wrote:
hmmm ..
If we will really get hosted by a GNU member, there will 100%ly be no windows section if you ask me!





bigotry? How quaint.

I doubt that they would interfere with what we do. We have a Basic/VB section as well, so... and we will not take it away. Have no fear .

Assuming such a thing is an exaggeration, imho. I'll create the windows section and see how it survives (depending on activity, not on GNU members )

I'm really glad to see the Windows board up. As long as there is demand it should stay up here. Yes, I'm a Linux lover and though I'll stick to my favourite OS, I'm likely to do some Windows programming again in the near future. [addsig]

it seems that we are moving towards somewhere. members list, projects section, windows board....

i start to think that ypn will not die in next few years =)

Lol, it seems like nonama is starting to see through the thick, dark jelly of pessimism .

but now I start to look deeply inside it....
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On 2002-04-03 17:57, KaGez wrote:
but now I start to look deeply inside it....




mission accomplished!

Compatibility is important. Face it - if you want to do something not for geeks only, you will HAVE to do it for Win. No matter how bad the system is, it's the most common, and we can't ignore it. And, seriously, the open-source community has reached the Windows/DOS world too... You can get most of the programs you're used to for Win too. Of course I'm no fan of Microsofts way of selling/marketing their "products", and getting rid of their concurrents. Open source is the socialistic way to do it (hi Kurt!).

Anyway, running multiple OSs is a good practice in porting programs :)

Ok, I don't really see the point in having a Windows board if it's not for questions about the OS...Could someone clarify? [addsig]

WTF do you want to ask about that OS?
"How do I setup my mouse?"
If you can't setup windows you're stupid if you ask me... Most of you won't setup apache or some other httpd on windows too. Not only httpd, I think nobody in here is so primitive to use windows as a server... :-/ and, as it is stated in the description on the main page, this is a programmers community!
Be happy that you've got that board, even if it isn't thought for non-coding Qs.
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I don't want to ask any questions about the OS, and that's my point. What is there to ask about the OS? I mean KaGeZ is right, if you don't know how to setup a mouse then you shouldn't be here. I use Windows, but I fix everything myself. I don't think there is any use for it really. [addsig]

Hey guys, just take a look at the windows board! There are already proper questions! robost86 for example asked about WinAPI...I want questions like that rather on the windows than on the C board... [addsig]

but hey, it _is_ C/C++.... [addsig]

But hey...it is C/C++ on Windows...No question like "how does C/C++ handle strings?" or "how does class inheritance work?".

Of course you are right, it might go in the C/C++ section, but I don't want to be bothered by Windows questions there [addsig]