What computers & hardware do you have? If we make a list here, everybody knows who to ask if they want to ask something about or test something on some specific hardware.

Well, here are my (and the rest of the familys) computers:

Celeron 366MHz 96MB RAM, 8GB HDD, Running RedHat 7 and Win 98. Network card (don't know the model), sound card (don't know the model). 42X CD drive.

IBM PS/1 i80386SX 16 (or maybe 25) MHz, 6 MB RAM, 80 + 210 MB HDD, Running DOS 6.22 & Win 3.11. AWE32 Sound card, 3Com EtherLink III Combo network card. The hard disks can't be detected by Linux, Minix or OpenBSD, so I can't install UNIX on it (well, maybe DOS-Minix).

"Compis" i80186 ? MHz (probably under 10), Between 512KB and 1 MB of RAM, No HDD, 2 5.25" FDD. Running CP/M 2.2. You can use a Turbo Pacal - like pascal IDE, or the language COMAL (BASIC with some extra features).

Amiga 500 (I know nothing more about this, sorry).

Commodore C128d (I don't know much about this one either).

Toshiba laptop 80286 8(?) MHz. 640 KB RAM, 10 MB HDD (Doesn't always work). 3.5" 720KB FDD. Monochrome plasma screen.

Laptop 80486DX4 100MHz. 8MB RAM, about 500 MB HDD. Running Minix 2.1 32-bit & DOS 6.22. Has a non-working CD drive.

Packard Bell Pentuim MMX 200MHz. 64 (?) MB of RAM, 4 GB HDD, 32(?)X CD drive. Running Windows 98. Combo Network card, sound card.

HP Brio Pentuim II 333MHz. 192MB RAM, 17 + 4 (I think) GB HDD. Running Windows 2000. CD drive. Combo Network card, sound card.

HP Vectra Pentium 166MHz. 64MB(?) RAM, 4GB HDD. Combo Network card, sound card. Running Windows 98 (this is our router, but it can still be used for testing).

+ Another HP computer with Network card, Sound card, Windows 98, CD drive, 64MB RAM. Don't know haw fast the CPU is.

It's nice to have many computers to test something on, isn't it? Now everybody write what computers you have, please =)

4 computers at my disposal. First the ones here in Reno:

(Mine) PII 333 overdrived to 500MHz, 128 MB Ram (Soon to be 192 though) Win2000 on a 10/100 Ethernet Network hooked upto DSL (384 down/192 down...but I've improved that slightly. hehe ), 10 GB disk space, 36x CD-Rom, 8x2 Read/Write CD-Rom, Floppy Drive .

(Dad's) PIII 700 MHz, 128 MB Ram (soon to be 256), Win2000 on a 10/100 Ethernet Netweork Hooked upto DSL (Same as above), 40 GB space, DVD Drive, 36x8x2 Read/Write/Erase CD-Rom drive, MPEG Decoder Card, Good sound card. ;p.

(Brother's) PIII 800 MHz, 128 MB Ram, WinME, Ethernet card and DSL, 30 GB space, 40x CD-Rom Drive, Better sound system.

At Twintop (yes, there is a place called Twintop. It's a family house at Lake Tahoe) we have a P133, 64 MB of ram, Win98SE, 56k dialup, 8 GB space, No sound system (YET!).

I'll be at Twintop a lot this summer, so I'll be able to test stuff up there... [addsig]

Mine as of now
700 Mhz athlon, 256 MB PC100 SDRAM, 20 GB hard drive, GeForce 2 GTS video card. Windows 2000 and Mandrake 7.2

Mine as of 1-2 weeks from now
1.2-1.4 ghz athlon, 256 PC2100 DDR RAM, 20 GB hard drive, GeForce 3 video card. Windows 200 and Mandrake 7.2 (maybe

Oh yes, the Windows 200 . It's 1800 years old, but it's really not a bad OS.

Didn't Mandrake just release Mandrake Linux 8.0 for download off of their site? [addsig]

here are mine:

my computer:

Celeron 333mhz, 30+10gig HD, 64mb RAM, running DEBIAN/GNU LINUX.
(and rarely windoze 98)

the other two comps i'll be using for the cluster:

pentium 133, 64mb ram, running SuSE Linux 6.4

pentium 120, 50mb ram, running, SuSE Linux 6.1, DOS, Win3.1

computers that i can't control to 100%:

Dual Celeron 450, 265mb ram, running Windoze NT

Cyrix (?), running Windoze NT Server

Pentium 1XXmhz, 32mb ram, running Windoze 95

Celeron 333 mhz, running Windoze 98


Then there's the Netgear RT311 router, but that doesn't count =)

PC's in our house:

My PC:
Celeron 400mhz, 64MB Ram running RedHat Linux 7.1 + Windows98(us)

My dad's PC (which is also our router):
Celeron 333mhz, 64MB Ram running Windows98 (jp).

My sister's PC:
Celeron 550Mhz, 64MB Ram running Windows98 SE (jp)

Well, as you can see, not a lot of computing-power in our house but anyway, the PCs all run fast enough for the tasks they should handle
I'm very happy with my machine =) Want to eventually upgrade my Graphics-card though

fabs

PC's in my house:
A 486 DX-2 80Mhz, 16mb RAM w Windows 95 (clocked of course, belongs to my little bro)

One piece of AMD K5 (Pentium class) 133Mhz probably overclocked to 166, 24mb RAM w Windows 98 (my father's computer)

and mine is
AMD Athlon 1000Mhz w/ 512MB RAM etc. I use Mandrake 8.0 (and yes, it is downloadable) and sometimes Windows 2000...

oh yeah, I've got some Amiga 50+ and a Commodore 64 without cables... I had a 386 once too. I have a lot more computers, like the one in the microwave oven but we can discuss those elsewhere....

_________________
"Bill Gates doesn't have the BALLS to swim across Lake Washington!!!!" - Tom Green

[ This Message was edited by: Peter on 2001-07-01 12:07 ]

What's the idea of this when you post as anonymous?

i don't know, they prolly mistyped their passwords or usernames or something.

yeah, but if you who posted those anonymous messages see this, please tell us who you are.

hhhmmm ... maybe a BUG ?? I was logged in , but anyways ... the anonymous guy with the 1GHz Athlon is me =)
[addsig]

Ok, thanks =)

no problem ... what did you want to know this stuff for anyways ??
[addsig]

1) I was curious
2) It may be useful for people who want to test their programs on other YPN people computers.

oh , so we are "Crash-dummies" ??
hehe , but why not .. sounds interesting =)
[addsig]

I like code that can be run on older computers as well... And also when I make websites I try to make them as portable as possible. [addsig]

uuhhhmmm .. may sound stupid , but what do you call "portable" in a WebPage ?? [addsig]

Portable in a webpage is where the design looks the same, or still looks good with different browsers.

aha ... but from the point you include java-script it isn't anymore ... CSS is also not always the same in IE and Moz .... anyways , thx jgrant [addsig]

ok, let's say things should be relativly portable. My philosophy: Always look at what techniques the big websites use because if people get a crappy look on for example AltaVista, they are used to having a crappy view at the web. The site doesn;t have to be totally compatible with all browsers, it's good if it is but it's enough if browsers of version 4+ get it these days.
fabs

Do you all have too much money?? Woah, I remember the time (when I was a child and did not know how to switch on a computer) when there was a splitted Germany. I started with my C64. But I did not learn anything with it.. (well I hate BASIC). Then I abused my father's box (a 486) to learn Pascal (what a damned language!). Later my father bought the box I have used for 4 years now. A 233 MHz Genuin Intel MMX (which isn't very good, think of f00f-bug which every Intel-CPU has) with 32MB and 2(2!!)MB graphmem + (stone age) SB16 PnP + 20GB+2GB hdd + 32/4/2-CD-burner+ unplugged 10xCD. (Ain't I a poser ;)
Gee, I ask me where you got so much money to buy the latest technique?! I would be pleased if I got ISDN or maybe even ADSL.

Have a nice time!
Bandi

hey c'mon , the stuff ain't that expensive these days . I bought my whole sys (except monitor) for 70.000Yen (about 700US$) . What do you expect more ?
[addsig]

That's not a lot of money for you?
Well then our walks of life seem to differ in the basics. Do you know how many electric guitars+amps+fx one could buy for this amount?

[ This Message was edited by: bandij on 2001-07-11 19:08 ]

I got that 1.4 ghz athlon . I "worked hard" for it though... placed 3rd in a programming contest for $500 and spent $480 on new motherboard, case, fan, processor, and RAM, and installed it all myself.

Yeah , that's not VERY much money , but I also woked hard for it , so I think I deserve this kind of Box , and if you don't think so , I don't try to convince you ... why should I . I mean , you're happy with your little sweet box , aren't ya ? (that was to Bandij , not SilStrike )

Sure am I. Sometimes I would like to have a flat A-DSL connection but in general.

@bandij: you can buy about 1 good guitar, 1 good amp... that's about it . But that's much money. I'm working very hard (compared to programming awards, as I work in a store and carry around stuff) and I'll get about $450 for 13 days of work, of which most are 9-18... So $700 is much money - but hey, my computer was $2000 all in all .

Are you a musician? I'm on my way... I'll buy a bass next week hopefully!

Peter:
Good luck with your work , and have fun with your bass
[addsig]

Thanks! [addsig]

Thanks! [addsig]

What bass guitar will you buy? A Fender?
I don't like Fender (although they had some nice bass guitars).
I bought a used one.. It's really nice (well the volume-regulator doesn work: either full
volume or no sound ;) I got it for 250 German Maerkers (aprox. 125US$ I think). Quite a cool price. I like it, it is a real good one.
But unfortunately I don't have no bass amp. So I got use my guitar amp. I can tell you that lollipops.
Have you thought of getting a contra bass yet? Man, that's cool. I would like to play such a thing.. Well originally I play my PUNKROCK ELECTRIC GUITAR (to anoy the neighbours ;)) It's cool. A Telecaster copy (Johnson). My bass guitar is an original I think.

At the moment we are doing a bit of good old school punkrock (w/o commerce). We rock in my cellar.. well garage would be more good old school but I like the cellar: it's allways very cold there. And the drums are allways the loudest (but not when I play, I don't know using the drums alot :(

Let the SKATALITES rule!
just my 0.02$
Bandi

COOL!

Well I wanna buy a Cort actually. I haven't tried many Fenders. I'm gonna buy it next week!

Hey, how come your guitar amp isn't scandisked up yet? I guess it doesn't sound very bassy on that one anyway...

However, please give me some examples of that old school punk. For instance, I LOVE the Ramones, do you like them?

kewl, have fun playing... I wanna play more punk too but our drummer has to learn the fast-pace rythms :-/....

Update on that 1.4 ghz athlon... I killed it .

Sockets == fragile.

oops!
How? [addsig]

Long story short. I was testing this other processor to see if it worked. So I took out mine, tested the other one, then when I was putting mine back in... the damn thing just wouldnt go. So I made it go... except I ended up pushing too hard on the heatsink, and it cracked just an itsy bit... but enough to make it not function at all.

R.I.P [addsig]

RAMONES RULEZZ!!!

You really listen The LEGENDARY RAMONES?? THE FIRST PUNK ROCK EVER RECORDED ON THIS ****ING PLANET?!!! Gee, that's great! I feel like I am not the only punkrocker here..
Yeah, The Ramones rock! *CHEERS* Alas, I have only a few Ramones' records :(((

Maybe ya heard of ***Operation Ivy*** yet??
Those guys rock too!
There are some nice Rancid things.. But I personally think RAMONES and OpIvy were the best PunkRockers of the 20th century (after em come some depressive/emo(tional) bands I randomly come to know ..)
*cheers again*

No, never use a guitar amp for bass guitars..
But alas I did not have the goddamn $$ for a bass amp.. Well.. we had no real drummer yet (me :). But after vacations I will hire someone ;) Unfortunately we only have a single crash and no rides but a complete set of toms..
Let punkrock rule, Peter! (send me a copy of your next record ;)
(we should organize a gig someday)

Sheena is a Punkrocker ;)
Bandi (has vacation now!!!)

Hehe, Fabs is much into punk rock too.

I listen to the Ramones yeah . They are among my all-time favorite bands. Sure, I'd love to organize a gig . And sure, I can send you a recording if there will be any.

cool! Thank you!

Hehe, we're no musicians though.. And if you'd make a record, I'd really like a copy .

Both of you have heard my and Mattes songs I think some of them are pretty good to be done by non-musicians (He just play bass, and I don't play anyting, or, well, maybe a bit on the toy-synth sometimes ) With some special effects and a lot of phantasy, you can make pretty good songs

(if anybody wants our songs, just tell me, and you'll get them).

Hehe, yeah... Some could become real good songs . You should try to get a record deal!

Sure, Peter you will get a copy. Maybe after vacations.. But it's "keller-core" so don't except good quality :)

song robert and matte did? huh? i want that! who is matte?

My main PC

Athlon 1.1GHZ
256mb RAM
geforce 256
40gb hard drive
62x CD-ROM
17-inch monitor

My backup PC(has no monitor for it)

Pentium 2 400mhz
TNT 2
6 gb hard drive
64mb RAM
32x CD-ROM

server computer:
p3 800mhz@1023, 320mb ram, dvd, cdrw 12x8x32 45gb hdd, netline 10/100 and @home 10/100 nic adapters (that computer runs proxy
geforce2mx
software for nat for my other 2 computers), win2k, redhat 6.2 (run server for irc services, counter-strike)

crappy computer:
celeron 400@600
190mb ram
6x4x32 cdrw
20gb hdd
voodoo3
@home 10/100 nic adapter
win98se

other crappy computer:
celeron 400@450
128mb ram
4x4x24
10gb hdd
voodoo3
@home 10/100 nic adapter
winxP



[ This Message was edited by: meRk on 2001-08-14 22:27 ]

Now that fabs is here at my place, we needed to get another computer in my room to be able to code simultaneously. So we bought an adorable 486 with 12MBs of RAM and a quad speed CD drive (RAM is now 14MB ).

It's a funny computer. I will probably set it up to route for my LAN.

Hehe, don't call computers crappy unless they really are. The best computer I've ever used is this Celeron 366

And my 386sx 16MHz is used almost every day

Hi all
new here but here's what i have

pIII 1000
320 ram
18g HD
crappy sound card
ATI rage fury 32
2x burner
40x cd
Win 98se

Laptop=HP
850 pIII speed step
20G HD
all the goodies
running ME....dont like so far

laying around= AMD k6-2 450
no ram, no HD, no monitor, possibly fried MB..havnt checked and dont really care.

A 'lil update on thge systems in my house, we've had a new one for a little while:

P4 1.7GHz, 512 MB NVDRam, 60GB HD, WindowsXP... [addsig]

updated my sys too:

HDD: 20GB ---> 80GB
[addsig]

my computers:

AMD Duron 750 MHz:
128 mb-ram, 20 gb hdd, cd-rom 48 speed AOpen, cd-burner 4x8x32, 1.44MB fdd , modem E-tech cyber bullet PCI 56k, optical logitech mouse, network card: realtek TRL8029(AS) PCI Ethernet NIC 10MBps, sound: via ac'97 chip onboard, vga: S3 savage4 32MB(Diamond stealth III s540), usb, very old printer (from a 286): Seikosha SP-2000, HP deskjet 540 and a Epson LX1050 printer. info about my other (8) computer will i send later

I got a pentium 4 1.5 ghz 256 mb ram 32 mb video windows XP and 40 gb hd

Hmm..

My computer:
P3 450 Mhz
GeForce2 32 MB
256 MB RAM
60 GB HDD
17" screen
4/2 cd-burner
RedHat 7.2, and I think I have WinXP somewhere =)

My nice little computer:
486DX 66Mhz
16 MB RAM
400 MB HDD
KnasOS (http://knasos.sf.net)

My webserver:
Pentium 166 Mhz
80 MB RAM
8 GB HDD
RedHat 7.2

My father's computer:
P4 2 Ghz
GeForce 3 64 MB
512 MB RAM
70+60 GB HDD =)
Windows XP

My mother's computer:
P2 350 Mhz
Some graphics card with 8 MB
64 MB RAM
8 GB HDD
Windows 98

Well.. that's all I have in my house..

AMD K6/3DNow!
400 Mhz
320 Mb Ram (Sdram, 133Mhz)
27Gb harddisk (Maxtor)
48X cd-drive
2x/2x/6X Writer
Voodoo3 Video card
Soundblaster 128 PCI

(Note: Normally I had a 450 Mhz, but this processor had a fabrication fault and crashed all the time)

update to mine again...
HDD: 80GB ---> 60GB
RAM: 256MB ---> 512MB

so atm my sys looks like this:
1GHz AMD Athlon
512MB RAM
60GB HDD (40GB for Linux(10 for fileserver, 10 for Wine), 6 for Win98)
52x CD-ROM
Nvidia GF2MX/400 (AGP)
SB Live! X-GAMER
Surround Speaker System

that's the main ...
[addsig]

Now I'm on this one:

P200, with 64MB RAM, 17GB HD, some Intel built-in network card, and a 3c900 (I think..), with a 15" monitor.

at least the HDD is useable
[addsig]

Hrm... Actually, if you're not an OpenGL or gaming freak , a P200 is more than enough.

so, since I'm an OpenGL freak I can't use it anymore but maybe I could get about 1000 polys to move with that comp if you put in a descent vid card
[addsig]

intel pentium 600mhz
128mb ram
nvidia tnt2 32mb
20gig harddrive

notice that this computer is a compaq

hm, I dunno why, but Compaq PCs really lollipop! The Servers _rock_ tho
[addsig]

i had some expirience with mounting compaq proliant and StorageWorks boxen (storageworks is really just a big raid array) into racks at the company i had a "praktikum" at (that was micronas.com, if anyone cares...)...
It _sux_ - Not only is the mounting mechanism different on every model they have, but they are also extremely hard to mount...
then of course, they come bundled with windows 2k...

i dont know how other servers are mounted in racks, but it took us like 4 hours to mount a storage work and a proliant server into a rack...

i dunno lot about computers but i know that its had to "play" whith your compaq...
everything is sooo smal and compaqt

complaq also uses some kind of "special" screws, so if you try to change anything in the pc your waranty is void [addsig]

compaq _PCs_ (_not_ servers ) also use much of compaq's custom hardware, like custom mobos .... so it's generally hard to get seomthing except the bundeled software working
[addsig]

My Comp:

40 gig
athlon xp 1.7 Ghz
NVIDIA GeForce 2
512 mem

_________________
You laugh at me because I am different, I laugh at you because you are all the same.

[ This Message was edited by: AcidBurn on 2002-02-21 21:09 ]

AcidBurn: You are LUCKY. All I have is a P133, 40MB RAM, 900MB HDD space, a 2MB PCI video card, and 16-bit ISA Sound Blaster. I'm hoping that I can get a laptop or build a better computer by the end of the year.

[ This Message was edited by: dxprog on 2002-02-21 23:01 ]

Oh yeah. My familys computer is a P3 450, 128MB RAM, 12.6GB HDD, 16MB Voodoo3 3000 vid card, Turtle Beach Montego 2, 56K Modem. [addsig]

EWWWWWWWWW... 56k? ick.. I am lucky enough to have cable and on average connect at approx. 800kb... lol 56k. [addsig]

is that 800bit or byte? cause 800 byte would be insane.... 1.6mbit... ahhh /me wants that

cable modem? What I wouldn't do for somthing faster than 3K a sec.

heh, let me post my configs...
i've got a
1.
PII 450MHz (not celeron)
512 MB RAM
20 GB HD
17" monitor
GeForce 3 64MB
Sony 16/10/40x CD Writer

2.my Toshiba laptop
PIII 1GHz
512 MB RAM
20 GB HD
GeForce 2 16MB
Toshiba 8/8/40x CD Writer

it's just a simple Q, but isn't celeron a mod of P3 ?
[addsig]

Celron is budget version of the Pentium

More like the pentium II. The celerons go up to 600 (?) mhz, which a pentium certainly wont reach.

erm... the fastest celeron atm is 1 (or was it 1.1?) GHz... just for your information
[addsig]

Yeah - Kagez ir right - Celerons go to at least a gig

My system (got it yesterday )
Athlon XP 1800
512 MB DDR RAM
Win XP Home
32X10X40 CD-RW
6X DVD-ROM
13GB 7200 RPM HDD
40GB 5400 RPM HDD
64MB GeForce2 MX 400
Soundblaster er... something (it's good, that's all I remember)
19" monitor

AM I THE ONLY PERSON HERE WITH ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!??????? [addsig]

-->AM I THE ONLY PERSON HERE WITH ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!???????

Put simply, yes.

I went to a computer show last weekend and saw people selling P75s for $10... Your system could probably be replaced for less than $20, if you wanted...

-Govtcheez, killing self-esteem, one person at a time.

the celeron question answer (in simple words ) is:
celeron is a "downgraded" (small amount of secondary cache) pII or pIII processor.
so my pII450MHz is as fast as a celeron on 600MHz. [addsig]

I won't be too bad off soon. I'm going to buy a K6 200Mhz. A little faster and MMX instruction set. Still on the low end but with a vid card and RAM upgrade it won't be so bad.

hm... I think I need a PC like Govt too
now I've got only:

1GHz Athlon (plain, no XP/MP)
1/2GB SD-RAM
60GB HDD
52x CD-ROM
Elsa Gladiac (GF2MX 200/ 16MB SDRAM)
SB Live! X-Gamer

I'm in the serious need of a new computer
[addsig]

kagez: wasn't that the celeron II?
I thought the original celeron is up to around 600...
but there is a faster celeorn 2

1Ghz? 512MB RAM? And you need a new computer?

Okay. I've upgraded my processor to an AMD K6-200Mhz.

Okay. I've upgraded my processor to an AMD K6-200Mhz.

NOT AGAIN!!!!!!

I got:

PIII 1.0 ghz
128 mb SDRAM
60 gb HD
24x DVD
8x CD/R

and

486 IBM Laptop
250 mb HD
4 mb RAM
[addsig]

yes I need a new computer, because:
1.) For testing self-programmed OpenGL stuff resonably I'd need a better computer, since there are often nasty bugs that will render my computer unusbale for minutes.
2.) Actually I only need DDR-RAM instead of SD-RAM, and a CPU with about 2GHz, and ofcourse a GF4MX
I'm happy with my sound card (SB Live! X-Gamer) connected to a 4-point surround system.

Anyways, I really need a new PC... compiling gnome2 takes me about 4 hours, that's too much
[addsig]

768MB RAM rules

I'm sure 2048 rules even more.

I got a Nokia 7110, its been a while since I pulled it apart, so I cant mem off hand all the specs of it, but as soon as I pull it apart again, I will let us know.

dxprog:
Who do you know that has 2048 mb ram?

i worked at a microchip-producing company for a week once (not for money... had to do it for a "job orientation" program at school), and all of their servers had at least 4GB ram ) they cost around 10k$ only have RAID arrays of 9 40GB Wide ultra SCSI discs and stuff... in short: i want^Wneed one.

Nobody. I'm just saying 2GB of RAM must be great. I dont't know any body who has a very good computer at all. Better than 24MB any day. [addsig]

At GrowZone a Goveronment ISP, they ran Linux servers with 2-4 gb of ram, and we played Quake on them, (-:

I have...

1 Intel Pentium 75MHz with 64 megs of ram, and about a 3 GB HD, actually owned by my dad, but I'm pretty much the only one that uses it.

2 i486/33s. One has 34(yes, 34) megs of ram, the other has 8. One has a ~700 GB HD, the other has ~650 gigs... (I got them both for free, BTW, both ready to be trashed)

As you can see, I am _not_ rich

Not rich????

Are HDs with 700 and 650 gigs for free where you are living??? [addsig]

WTF?!
600 GIGS
that's the 10x size of mine :/
[addsig]

i don't get it either... it can't be true but if he meant 600mb, that's quite unrealistic nowadays, too

Well, 650 megs fit very well to 33 MHz and 34 MB ram...at least much better than 650 gigs [addsig]

I think he meant 650megs!
[addsig]

Huh...really?

I think I underestimated you extremely, KaGez! [addsig]

If you wanted close to 600GB you could hook a bunch of 120MB HDDs on a RAID 0 configuration. The OSs would see them as one drive. Pretty cool. [addsig]

Would be a true bunch. RAID rocks. I also like the feature of having two drives holding the same data and reading from both at the same time to get twice the speed [addsig]

you could also use a RAID-5 system as we've got in our school and just stick 6 120GB SCSI-2 HDDs with 15000RPM in there
it's only a matter of your wallet tho
[addsig]

As if we'd care 'bout money... [addsig]

Yeah. I'm hopefully going to get a big HDD (40+GB) for my computer soon. I keep having to uninstall programs to make room for other stuff. 518MB doesn't go far when you're a programmer. [addsig]

Quote:
On 2002-05-27 16:08, KaGez wrote:
you could also use a RAID-5 system as we've got in our school and just stick 6 120GB SCSI-2 HDDs with 15000RPM in there
it's only a matter of your wallet tho


that'd effectively give you 600GB "only" tho.

fsvara:
depends on how you configure your RAID adapter... if you tell it to use all HDDs as one disk it will give you 720GB, and if you tell it to take 1 as a backup disk, it'll give you 600 ("only")
[addsig]

ya, but with raid-5 you always have one backup disk afaik

OK. I have made a few upgrades to my computer. Here's the specs:
AMD-K6 200Mhz
518MB HDD (still that's the next thing to go )
96MB RAM
Diamond Stealth Video 64 2MB (this goes after the hdd)
Yamaha OPL3 Integrated Sound
52x CD-ROM Drive

It's alot better, especially with the extra RAM. And also the fact that I'm using an ATX board now. [addsig]

hehe, your HDD will fit into my RAM
[addsig]

Oh be quiet. [addsig]

btw, what OS is on that PC? windows would probably kill the HDD dead ...
[addsig]

I've got Win98SE on it. Previuosly I had Win95, Win8SE and my uncle, he gave the drive to me, had Windows 98 and proboly Win95 and 31 before that. It still works, though there are one or two bad spots. Proboly because it's so old. [addsig]

doesn't windows fill up the whole disk? :/
[addsig]

you know there is a custom install option like linux has in the Windows setup too, its not just a linux idea!

d-:

I have it scaled down to 200MB. I turned off virtual mem to save a litte extra, though. [addsig]

that anonymous above is me.... stupid phpBB...
200MB? that's small for a windows install
[addsig]

Whoops! I meant 250MB. It had been close to three hundred with the swap file. [addsig]

and what do you use that PC for? i mean, you won't be able to write documents or excel tables with it, or even play games... you can't install em, right?
[addsig]

I reckon you could get the Windows 98se setup down to ~100mb not to hard, quick custom job.

If I really put my time into it, I reckon I could get close to smallest linux install for a GUI.
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On 2002-06-23 13:29, sacah wrote:
If I really put my time into it, I reckon I could get close to smallest linux install for a GUI.
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mhh.. i don't belive you!
/me bets you could always make linux smaller than any "custom" h4x0red windows installation.

Yep, I think so, too. Just imagine all those light weight GUIs like fluxbox and others

Don't think Windows would stand this test [addsig]

I have VB nad Personal Web Server, for ASP. Everynow and then I'll delete VB or something and put a game on, only to revert and put whatever I deleted back on. I don't use Excel. [addsig]

Windows 9x is extremly lightweight, and additional shells can be gotten to reduce the size even more.
What bloats it, is all the dlls that other programs install, filled with GFX.

I dont know about NT,Me or 2k. These may be different, but I have states 9x all along
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On 2002-06-24 07:05, dxprog wrote:
I have VB nad Personal Web Server, for ASP. Everynow and then I'll delete VB or something and put a game on, only to revert and put whatever I deleted back on. I don't use Excel.



Hm, what are you talking about? I dunno, but I can't really understand what you mean, given the context...

Okay, here's an example from a couple weeks ago. I deleted VB and Paint Shop Pro to install Age of Empires. The next week I deleted AOE and reinstalled VB and PSP. Understand that? [addsig]

of course, now i got you were referring to your discussion with kagez about the HD space. I used to do the same when I was still using DOS/Win 3.1. Wanted to install Theme Park? Gotta delete Jazz Jackrabbit and Hocus Pocus first! Gah!.. Note these games were only a few mb large tho and AoE is porbably a few houndred mb :/

AOE without the opening movies is only 60 some odd meg. Rack up a few saved games and it's alot more than that. That tounge thing goes the same for WIn 3.1. [addsig]

Just ordered an 80gb Segate Barracuda ATA100 hdd.

Stats:
AMD Athlon 800
Asus A7V mb
384mb PC100 Ram@133
64mb DDR GeForce 2 GTS
30gb hdd ATA 133
80gb hdd ATA 100
20x Cd
8,4,32x Cd Burner
Digital Doc


Seconds computer coming soon.
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WHHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! I NEED SPACE!!! And I have more bad news. I had to revert to my old Pentium 133 yesterday because my motherboard was over-voltaging my AMD, thus creating worse over-heating problems than before. But, believe it or not, I haven't seen any speed difference. The board was made by Intel so I bet that's what the deal was. [addsig]

I think nobody'd use a intel board with a AMD proccessor :/
[addsig]

Mainly I was just seeing if it worked because I didn't want to go back to the Pentium. The BIOS said Pentium 200, but Windows said AMD still. I wonder if it wasn't using it like a Pentium, because there is hardly any difference in performance. SO my new plan of action is either get a P4 board and processor or get a Super 7 board, that way I can upgrade to a K6-III later.

[addsig]

Intel = Chaotic
P4 = Evil
Intel P4 = Chaotic Evil

AMD = Angelina Jolie
Athlon MP = Sweetage
AMD Athlon MP = Angelina Jolie Sweetage.

so get onto it.
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/me likes Angelina Jolie.

THere is nothing wrong wiht the P4, which is what I decided to go with. Note - I'll get a board that supports DDR-SDRAM. And after that I'll upgrade my old moniter (max res is 640x480x32). So hopefully at the end of the year my stats will look something like such:

P4 2.?Ghz
256MB DDR-SDRAM
13.6+ HDD
nVidia GeForce3 Something 32MB+
Windowsxp
Better Sound Card
MS Office Keyboard
Optical Mouse

It's something to hope for I guess. It sounds beautiful just reading it. [addsig]

sacah: you know, we have quite some peoples in here who are interested in helping companies with their world domination
[addsig]

It has nothing with a personal thing for Intel. If I had been here about three years ago it might have been different. No, I read in one of my PC Upgrade mags that, since the casing is so thin, you have a very good chance of breaking the an AthlonXP in half when putting on the fan. I don't want to take that risk. But if it's cheaper, I might opt for it. And about the domination, Intel isn't nearly as far gone as MS. I hat MS, I only like the OS. [addsig]

Its not that easy to snap an AMD chip in half, just use common sense, or buy a pre built computer, and never take the HSF off, or if you do, dont put it back
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I love AMD cause they are cheap, and work better for most things than Intel, plus they are better for oc.

Chances are I'm going to go with Athlonxp. If I do go with a P4 I'm going to get one with DDR support. Either way you look at it they're both better than a P133. [addsig]

Well, the Athlon is better than a 133, but the P4, well thats a tought desicion, the P4 might just beat the 133.
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OK. I just won a HDD off eBay and I am up to 10GB. Thank Heavens!!!! [addsig]

major update to my PC
I upgraded my CPU due to the fact that my old one was fried. 1GHz Athlon ---> 1.3GHz Athlon
also the power supply, for the same reason. 300W ---> 350W
Now my PC look like this:

1.3GHz AMD Duron Morgan (FSB 100MHZ)
Epox EP-8KTA2 (1ISA, 5PCI, 1AGP x4, 3DIMM, 2IDE .....)
1/2GB RAM (SDRAM, PC100/133 running at 100MHz, CL2)
60GB HDD (7200RPM, 8.5ms seek time, ATA 100)
GF2MX/200 (running at normal clock speed, both core and ram, on agp x4)
SB Live! X-Gamer 5.1 (with digital out)
FPS2000 (Four Point Surround Speaker System)

I like it
[addsig]

Waaaaaa!!! Oh well, at least I can have AOE and VB on the same HDD now. [addsig]

I can have 3 linuxes and windows on a single HDD

[addsig]

Im workin on haveing 2 Linuxs, and 2 Win98se's
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plus the usually Music/Vids etc

So what! I can have AOE, VB, and Windows on one drive now!!!! [addsig]

I can have server, games, OSs, Movies, MP3s, alltogether on 1 drive!
[addsig]

Well, I can fit Dos and Commander Keen on my drive...

Oh.. wait..
I think thats some how worst than my last post
Damn
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wooooo, commander keen rox!!
[addsig]

I have a Windows XP (1024 x 768 version) and a Windows 98, but the Windows 98 is so messed up, I can bearly run a program. Every once in awhile it says, "Cannot open [PROGRAM]. Not enough memory to perform operation." I know why it's happening, it's 'cause my sister is downloading so much stuff of "KaZaA" and is using up the computers memory. [addsig]

OK, If you have serious problems with that windows, I have 2 ideas for you
1) re-install windows, 98SE is the best of all. The rest is too bloated. (unrecommended)
2) install some kind of linux (recommended)
that's it
[addsig]

I got my "Big FAT" hard drive today. I've got WIn98 and am going to install Linux on another partition in the morning. I may need some help from you Linux savvy people. [addsig]

Feel free to ask. We guarantee for nothing ,) [addsig]

Well get ready to answer. My problem is my boot loader software doesn't recognize D: as a botable drive.

In case you need it I've partitioned my drive like so:
hda1 500MB FAT32 (Pri) - Windows
hda2 - Extended Partition
hda5 - 500MB (Ext2/Fat?) - Linux
hda6 - 9GB (FAT32) - Programs

All I really need to know is where to get a fairly easy to install, that works on FAT16/32 (I'm only devoting 500MB to it), and is free Linux distro. I'm pretty sure I can get XFree86 setup myself after I get the system running. [addsig]

this may be a stupid question, but do you have the jumpers on the rear of the HDD placed properly? without those set properly some HDDs refuse to boot.
[addsig]

My computer boots just fine. It's only Linux that doesn't boot. I use the "syslinux" utility, which has worked in the past, on drive D: and BootMagic says that boot failed. [addsig]

so you are trying to put a previously made image on that disk?
[addsig]

Hdds need a jumper to either make them Cable Select, if your mb suports it, or the safest way is to set the jumper for primary and secondary.

Personally I would use LILO as the boot manager.

I think some old motherboards won't really work with the stupif HDD if the jumper isn't where it belongs... at leats it was like that in my old PC
[addsig]

Okay let me get a couple things staright:

1) My motherboard is only six years old with BIOS from '98

2) My drive is set up properly, single, which is what it is [addsig]

Use LILO

That would probably mean making my Windows partition second in line wouldn't it? [addsig]

No, it wouldn't. With lilo you could always choose which OS/partition to boot. You decide which one is the default, so of course you could also use it to boot Windows. [addsig]

Well the Linux distro I got doesn't have LILO. In fact it really isn't Linux, it's Minix. (Is there a difference?) I need to know where to get a good version of Linux. [addsig]

What is a Linux? [addsig]

I mean, I know it's an operating system, but I don't know much about it. Like is it a computer? Do you download it? How big is the size? How do you change from OS to OS? Does it come with programs? Can you transfer programs from one OS to another? [addsig]

Okay, this is a rather more complicated topic. I'll answer in short, but be sure that there are tons of docs referring the topic OSes and Linux on the net.

"Is it a computer?"
No, an operating system is what runs your computer, deals with the hardware and stuff like that. There are lots of operating systems out there. Unix, Windows, Linux and MacOS are only some examples. Linux is a free (as in freedom) operating system.

"Do you download it?"
You can download Linux. You can also buy a distribution on CDs. There are several Linux distros out there, the most popular are probably Red-Hat, Debian and SuSE.

"How big is the size"
Linux distro vary largely in size. Some fit on one floppy, but most need some hundred megs or even better a few gigs. Don't be afraid of the large size. The five gigs of some Linux distro contain almost everything you need, so the size will keep somewhat constant.

"How to change from OS to OS?"
Well, the easiest way is porbably to simply erase your current operating system and install another OS on the hd. If you want to keep your OS, you could install the other OS on another hd or another partition.

"Does it come with programs"
With tons of programs. Linux has probably the largest number of applications compared to other OSes. And like Linux itself, almost all of these programs are absolutely free and OpenSource, which means, that you can look at the source code and modify it whenever you want.

"Can you transfer programs from one OS to another?"
Doing that is rather difficult and not very often possible. But believe me, you will miss no single windows program in Linux because you'll always find a Linux prog which can compete with that windows app and comes free and as OpenSource. [addsig]

Give me Half life, CounterStrike, Diablo 2: LoD, GTA3, Flash, FreeHand, FireWorks etc on linux
d-:
LILO just replaces your windows mbr, the partitions and FATs stay untouched.

If you paid for half the programs you just listed...Anyway, I agree with you about the games, though you can run some of them with Wine(X). In fact I did not think of games, because I don't play with my comp. I used to do so a lot, but right now I'm glad if I find enough time to program.

Anyway, I said, there are compareable programs, not the _same_ programs. You can do virtually everything you can do in Windows in Linux, but mostly with a combination of programs. That's what I said to Ophline, who switched to Linux some days ago. Linux is not another Windows, it works differently. Once you got used to it you can do everything there...

[addsig]

There are no equivilant to those games on Linux, and why bother emulatin with poor performance, when I could just run windows and have a usable computer, also, programs like Flash, FreeHand and Fireworks, I know of no linux apps that are similar to the same brilliant statndard of macromedia. Linux is good, but it cant do everything Windows can, and visa versa.

--> Linux has probably the largest number of applications compared to other OSes.

WTF? Are you high? That's one of the most ludircous comments I've ever heard. Some 1337 haX0r writing a 100 line program does *not* constitute an application. Here's another weird thing that people arguing for Linux seem to use - it comes with all sorts of programs, while at the same time, they bitch about all the stuff bundled with Windows. With Windows, this is called "bloatware", with Linux, the exact same thing is called "almost everything you need".

--> But believe me, you will miss no single windows program in Linux because you'll always find a Linux prog which can compete with that windows app and comes free and as OpenSource.

First of all, let me make the point that open source software is *not* specific to Linux by any means. It's up to the author and licensing. I've seen plenty of open source stuff for Windows. I think the GPL's a good thing (basically), and open source is a good way to improve programs. However, just because a program is closed source, there's no reason to think it's a bad program or the people are trying to do something evil. When I bought my car, I didn't receive a complete blueprint, but I'm not afraid that it's beaming the size of my ass back to GM. As for not missing any program in Windows, how about, oh any game. I love how Linux people say "Haha neverwinter nights is coming out for Linux in only 2 more years! Hopefully by then I can figure out how to configure my video card properly!".

Maybe as many as 95% of the people I see using Linux aren't doing it for any legitimate reason - they're only doing it so they can say they've got some f-ed up geek chic and don't use Windows.

Welcome back Govtcheez, I see your back to your former glory.
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did he ask what is linux?
/me falls on the ground and cries
[addsig]

Give him a break! He's a ten year old in a world where Windows is pretty much king of the OSes. [addsig]

GovtCheez: How often do I have to say that I forgot about games when I stated that, because I haven't played games for more than a year now. Will you perhaps understand it when I post it another time here?

Also, I still keep to my statement that there are more linux apps.

If you had actually reaad my post you what know that there are Linux systems on one floppy. Try that with Windows and call Linux bloatware again.

About the people who use Linux for "non-legitimate" reasons...Well, maybe there are these wannabe geeks, but they are not very popular in the Linux community, so they often lose their fun with Linux after some months andd switch back to Windows. I would estimate their number less than 10%. There are maybe a lot of people out there (including me) who run Linux mostly because of fun. I call that legitimate. The company I work in uses Linux on every server, because it's cheaper (even if you calculate employees and maintenance). Same for the institution my father works for.

I won't go deeper into political reasons and the new "improved" licensing model of Microsoft here, because it would make this post somewhat senseless.

So, if you don't like Linux and don't know it enough to understand why it might be useful of fun, please don't consider everybody else to think the same, ok? [addsig]

Wow...

I still stand by my statement that some lame homebrewed thing doesn't count towards a platform's number of applications. Besides, what can you base this on? What is it,like 90% of systems run Windows? Stands to reason that theres plenty of developers on there, maybe even more than the whopping 8% of the population that uses Linux or some Unix variant.

--> How often do I have to say that I forgot about games when I stated that, because I haven't played games for more than a year now. Will you perhaps understand it when I post it another time here?

You're right - I noticed that immediately after I posted, but didn't edit it. Sorry, my mistake.

--> If you had actually reaad my post you what know that there are Linux systems on one floppy. Try that with Windows and call Linux bloatware again.

So there are some distros that fit on a floppy. For your argument about "having everything you need" to be valid, these floppies would have to contain all these magical apps. If they don't, they don't fall under that. If they do, you can have the other extreme - 5GB. Or somewhere in between ::pulls out RedHat 7.2 box::. There's 7 CDs in there. That's not bloatware, and Windows, of comparable (or smaller) size, is?

--> I won't go deeper into political reasons and the new "improved" licensing model of Microsoft

Oh yeah? Well... Heh, I'm not gonna defend MS's business practices. Some of the things they do are really starting to scare me...

I never said I didn't like Linux. It's fine for some people - I just see very, very few companies basing a solid business model around producing linux apps (running their servers on it is another matter entirely - there's no disputing that *nix is as good or better than Win2K). I know the point of it's to be free and open, but some people actually want to be able to feed their families.

Linux has its strong points, but it's not the end all be all OS. In most places that I've seen, it doesn't match Windows (say what you will about XP's Playskool GUI - it's easy to use, clean, and again easy to use - that means my computer-illiterate mother can use it). In some, it's past it (security, mostly, but then again I wonder what would happen if the numbers were switched - if 90% of the world used Linux, you think there'd be more people writing viruses for Linux? It may be inherently more stable, but there's nothing that's idiot proof, and you know there's some white-collar idiot out there that's always gonna click on an e-mail that says someone loves him, no matter what's contained in its attachment)

::stretches legs:: Ooooh, it's good to know you people can continue on without me debunking your wild theories about how Linux won the superbowl as Bill Gates sat in his mighty throne fucking(over) BeOS without blowing yourselves up or something...

Now lets see here ::scans last 2 pages:: looks like govt's said everything I would have...::sigh:: I'll be back when you people start spouting out more garbage.

Thanks go to govt for PMing about this wondrous argument...

HI KAGEZ!!! ::waves madly:: [addsig]

you see now how useless you are?
[addsig]

Kagez, you don't have to pretend to hate me, we all know you want a piece of this...I'm dead sexy. Govt can vouch for that. [addsig]

GovtCheez: Yeah, you're pretty right. Linux is a system for people with certain skills, interest and (most of all) time. I would never try tro convince my father to use Linux, because he does not know exactly what a scrollbar is...

When a Linux user wants to do some more complicated tasks, he often uses three or more of these "homebrewn" apps, which often leads to the same results than the "all-in-one" app in windows. Once you have used Linux for a longer time you get used to this way of working.

The argument that Windows is used by more people and that this is reason why there are more apps is not very strong in my op. I think that these 8 percent of Linux users are _much_ more productive (as software producers) than most of the windows users. Every Linux user is a hacker, or at least a coder to some certain extent. You can't say that of windows, not at all. Also, Linux coders share their code. That's also not true in windows.

But you're right, Windows is easy to use, everybody can use it. And there are a lot of commercial programs out there which, if you look at them alone, are better than most Linux progs. But that's not what I want. I can cope with a command line and I do so very well. OSes have a certain audience. I belong to the Linux audience, you are obviously belonging to the windows people. So, we could stop this argument now, because, as we both know from experience, we won't convince each other. [addsig]

Goin way back, I pay for all programs I listed, apart from GTA3, it was clasified illegal just after release, but they made a not so violent version, and I shall buy that after I see my coz copy, to see if its as awesome as the original GTA3.

I think the biggest thing GovtCheez and myself, -Ken- too. Linux ppl have this atitude, and speak uter crap, the fact most windows users are to stupid to know different, and most linux ppl are either to stupid, or want to belive the crap too, we are a few windows users who are smart *cought* enought, i personally see the good bits in all OS's, but I do get annoyed at the rubbish some of you linux ppl come out with.

Oh no, im becoming a GovtCheez
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Hey, somebody asked "What is a Linux?"

Should I reply "Windows is a good Operating System?" or what? [addsig]

Mox - you're right, this isn't going to go anywhere, but I have to answer some of teh stuff you said.

1) Not everyone on Linux is a hacker - most are, but not everyone... (Govtcheez: professional nit-picker )

2) Just because something is developed on Windows does not in any way mean it's closed. Windows is closed, the apps people write on it may or may not be - it's all about the freedom to decide whether or not you want people to have your code.

But you're right - neither of us are going to convince each other to change OSes. I'm not gonna let you spout crap you made up, though.

No, same for me, here. So, here's (hopefully) the last post I'll add to this discussion.

You're absoultely free to develop closed-source programs for Linux. But if you don't want to rely on any closed-source (licensing, dependency on companies and so on) at all, you can't use windows.
[addsig]

OK, I'm sick of asking, but back that up.

I can develop something on Dev-C++ (GPL'ed) and distribute the source code in any way I wish.

Ok, I probably did not make clear what I atually wanted to say. Every program you write for windows is dependend of other programs (at least of the OS) which are commercial and belong to a firm. So, as a windows developer you are kind of dependend on another company.

But this is a rather weak argument, the more interesting one was the first, that you are absolutely free to develop closed source for Linux. It can't be a strong argument to say that you may release OpenSource on Windows. You can actually do that everywhere. But, if you are pro-OpenSource, then Linux should attract you far more, because it _is_ OpenSource. [addsig]

If you mean that if I write a program in C and compile it windows, then you're right. Ofcourse, that also applies to Linux... If you mean source code for a program to be run in Windows can't also be compiled on a Linux compiler, then you're wrong. If you're writing code specific to one OS and expecting it to run somewhere, it's not the fault of the OS - you're a moron.

On the other hand, I can write a program in Java (evil, evil Java) and it'll work the same everywhere.

govt: I think he meant that Linux isn't dependant on a single company, so in some strange retrospect if you're writing for windows, you're dependant on MS. But he's right in saying that that's a horrible argument... [addsig]