I've just added five different documents...not bad for my first day here (well first day sice a while)


Tutorials:
Win32 API tutorial #1
Code-Snippets:
VGA Text color definitions
Programs:
Function Browser/Organizer
Links:
ACOS
Flashdaddee.com


I'd like a cookie

/me hands -KEN- a cup of Java
you can get your cookies everywhere
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I'd rather have a big ol' cup of C#

eeeewwww ...
I think I'll drink my cup of Java and just look at those who drink cups of C# and lie around dead
isn't C# just another (most probably unsuccessfull) try of M$ to get the "power" on it's side again? :/ I mean, they can't beat Java, it's just there for a long time, and you can't just erease it ... even my cell phone uses Java Applications (for games etc.), so C# will most probably be forgotten again in some years ... just a guess
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possibly, but I like it a little more than Java. Mind you, not JavaScript. Heh, I[m betting if you write C#-script it'll only work in IE (and 6.0 and higher at that! )

I don't think it will take over Java. I just predict it becoming another high level language OO-language that nobody really needs except to do programming on a specific platforml, in C#'s case, computers with the .NET framework...but then again there's C++.NET (yay! MS's very own proprietary C++! Actually, it's just compiled C++ code targeted at .NET) you could use to program on the frameowrk too, so you might not even bother with C#...

Oh well, C# is just one of those little things you find kinda neat, but you'd never really want to commercially develop an app with. Sure it's good with RAD, but it's not cross-platform yet! Until it gets cross-platform it's kind of stupid to program in... [addsig]

Yes yes, I haven't said that you or anybody of use thinks that Java should be replaced by C#, but that's the what M$ made it actually for, or that's at least what I've heard last
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C# is/was developed for use with .NET. Period. Pure evil

hehe, for me M$ itself is pure evil they rip off money from innocent ppls for something they don't even know about :/
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They also make great programs on occasion, though .

huh? where? *looks around in panic*

(just being sarcastic, notepad is quite useful...)

Notepad and MSVC are really the only MS programs I work with regularly...MSVC becuase of that SCHWEEEEET IDE and Notepad because it's the only stable MS program on the planet.. [addsig]

yeah, that were the only programs I used in Windows .... oh, and Winamp
the rest is .... don't flame me.... trash!
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kagez - as for microsoft being "unsuccessful".. we can see that they indeed were very successful in the past and they do have the power to stay so in the near future.. any company could have invented c# and have been unsuccessful with it, but it was one of the biggest comapnies in the world that invented it and said "use it!".. and so "they" will.

of course, we will defeat them sooner or later anyway

Well, I think from a techonological point of view, .Net (which also brings us C#) is a revolution and it will succeed. However for me, that does not mean that I think it's a good software project simply because the company can pretty much take over using it. A system so generelly used almost has to be free-software simply because so many people depend on knowing what's actualy going on behind the scenes. If Microsoft succeeeds and the .GNU project doesn't work out as good as they hope, we will face Microsoft World domination (of course, in software )
If people were only smart enough to see what is happening to them, but no! They just dload their newest IE and are happy about those flashy graphics and the speed. Compatibility? - Who cares?

fabs

: Drools : flash movies are funnn....ooo...aaaa.....

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[ This Message was edited by: -KEN- on 2002-01-06 05:49 ]

Fabs: actually the situation would be more grave than that.

It's not only about software, it's going to breed an elite among computing companies - of course only the big ones - where only Microsoft and their affiliates can be succcesful. ("succesful" in their interpretation of course)

Microsoft's .NET is like a big fishing net, trying to drag up ambitious coders and ambitious companies alike, to hook them up with a framework where Microsoft sets all the rules. It's quite like being a band and signing a major record company; you can still make good music but your freedom is gone long-term.

Microsoft will take fees for "external" companies using their .NET servers or .NET technology, they might even have subscriptions.

It's also another invasion on integrity; as quite about everything you'd do goes through central .NET servers, and you have a unique ID, they'll know every little thing you do. This information will probably be sold to marketing companies and so forth.

Even though they are making a big effort to make it look like it's about fair, fun programming and compatibility, I can't see much else than $$$ behind it.

i would like to know what exactly you are talking about.. ".net" is not a technology, it's a buisness startegy with a nice name - and in its name come a lot of more or less useful and more or less new technologies... the hailstorm afaik is the thing that stores all your personal information on a m$ server... that's the most stupid thing i've ever heard...

-KEN-: flash is available on almost all systems, and I also run flash happily with my galeon (mozilla based)

.NET may be a new try of M$ to "take over the world" again, but I don't think that they will have that much success. Since there is Ximian in the OpenSource workld M$ is getting weaker. You should surf on the M$ page a bit and you will find some interesting information about how M$ makes Linux down, mostly for the handhelds. if ppls who are neutral see this, they will in fact see how much M$ is scared of Windows. I've seen such a page recently, where M$ defends Windows on handhelds at all cost. when you see it (wait, I'll fetch the link..... http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/embedded/xp/evaluation/compare/notlinux.asp ... there ya go ) you could even think that M$ is a _very_ poor company that wants to have attention, even if it's very little attention. just look at that link and see for yourself. it's only stupid, they just pull windows in the forground... anyways, back to Ximian
Ximian makes more than good quality products for linux. for example the Ximian GNOME Desktop. it is far easier to use than windows, it looks better, is faster (yes, it is ), much stabler than _any_ windows, and runs on many different kind of systems. Also look at evolution. It's faster, _much_ (_very_ much) smaller than Outlook (filesize that is), and has no functions that outlook doesn't have. If Ximian will still be this active as now, they will be the killer for M$, and the key for success for Linux. ok, atm they only make GNOME desktops, maybe someday they'll make a complete linux distro, and if they do so, then M$ will 100%ly loose _many_ of it's customers, no matter if desktop or office, that's what everybody should admit. Ximian maybe hasn't as much money as M$, but they have the same, nah, much better coders than M$. I personaly don't like the ximian desktop _that_ much, but for beginners it's easier than windows. You don't need to know any console stuff, and everything looks far better than in Windows. and lately you also don7t even have to take care of the kernel stuff, since the P&P stuff in the linux kernel advanced rapidly, and by now it's better than in windows! yes, windows doesn't find my eth card unless I do it manually, but Linux finds and configures it without me knowing about that it configures it.
The only thing that is missing for a Linux breakthrough is only the mass production os PCs with Linux pre-installed. These days you don't need to use the console anymore in Linux, but it still is a great help if you can use it! (ok, not _everything_ is doable via GUI... but most of the allday work ).
so, to make it short, imo Ximian holds one of the _big_ keys for Linux's success, because not all ppls know about PCs as good as we do. They've made Linux very easy these days, and they also created the mono project, which will be a opponent for M$' .net thingy.
That's it! (finaly )
Thx for reading!
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I don't know a lot about ximian or any business-side of either the Free Software/Open source movement nor linux in common.. You might be right though.

All I know is that linux is a)free (as in freedom) b)better than windows in many aspects but most importantly: c) it fits my needs of a stable system that I can have control of and that feels comfortable to me.

-->-->It's also another invasion on integrity; as quite about everything you'd do goes through central .NET servers, and you have a unique ID, they'll know every little thing you do. This information will probably be sold to marketing companies and so forth.[ This Message was edited by: -KEN- on 2002-01-07 02:50 ]

Hm, okay, but I'm not too sure that will last.

I think I've already said this before sometime, but I don't mean that Microsoft can't make good stuff. But when it limits freedom, and it always does, in one way or the other, sooner or later, I don't want to be a part of it.

Yes it's the Passport thing I mean.. Not sure about what Hailstorm is... Sounds like some "blitzkrieg" kind of expression

I will do some more research on the subject. What I've presented here and in my last post are just showing the way I see it right now.

I dislike it to be blocked by programs, no matter if it is a game or a word processor. OK, maybe you can forgive blocking apps, but not a whole system that "disables" your whole PC, just because you didn't register after let's say 30 days. That7s on the level of shareware that you DL from the net! But (in this case WinXP) you can't force somebody who bought your product legaly ro register it again, just because you want to monitor his day/night/every movement he/she/it does on his/her/it's PC. For me _that_ is something that is _really_ braindead :/
As somebody said and -KEN- quoted, with that .NET stuff you will be boud to a "framework" again, and that again will take away your freedom. I still didn't take a in-depth look @ .NET, and I probably won't, because now I can code without any limitations, I'm not bound to anything, not even a framework, and if I'm bound to something it's my own idea/framework, and that's how it should be
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Ken: You don't have to give everything a try especially not in a situation like this. I mean, have you given heroin a try? - me neither.
fabs

if the .NET stuff will go through (which it probably won't), there will be a totaly different development style than now. You are not free anymore, and you have to keep inside the tight ropes of .NET .... that's what I htink :/
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-->--> I dislike it to be blocked by programs, no matter if it is a game or a word processor. OK, maybe you can forgive blocking apps, but not a whole system that "disables" your -->-->whole PC, just because you didn't register after let's say 30 days. That7s on the level of shareware that you DL from the net! But (in this case WinXP) you can't force somebody who bought your product legaly ro register it again, just because you want to monitor his day/night/every movement he/she/it does on his/her/it's PC. For me _that_ is something that is _really_ braindead :/ I've been on this computer wayyyy too long)

And really, there's quite a difference between heroine and .NET. No, you don't HAVE to try it. I've never tried lots of programming languages! But usually you should give it a go before criticizing it heavily...

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[ This Message was edited by: -KEN- on 2002-01-16 00:44 ]

that's true, but I was only talking in the range of what I know. I haven't talked about things I odn't know and I'm not certain about. I will maybe take a look @ .NET someday, and also @ Ximian's MONO project. But if I'd bind myself to one of them, I'd 100%ly choose MONO, because it's on a "Free Software" base. But, that doesn't deny that I will look at .NET too.
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What's the base idea of .NET?

I think anonymous gets the award for must un-informed reply of the year...

Let me find a doc I bookmarked with MS that explains .NET well...at it's core it's got a CRL (common runtime lang) that allows VB/C/C++/AllOther.NETlangs to share information and interact with eachother...There's more too but damned if I can't find that doc :-/ hold on...I'll post it later... [addsig]

Peter or svara or fabs, could you get that IP of that guy that is sssoooooo scared that he can't even use his own username and tell everybody who it is?
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I, too, can only say anything with the limited knowledge I have. I know though that most programming languages doesn't aim at making a lot of money by limiting our freedom. .NET seems to to a large extent.

KaGez: checked the IP, but it's no-one we know. It's probably an unregistered member.

[ This Message was edited by: Peter on 2002-01-17 17:53 ]

i checked the ip too, it gave some strange error...

Svara: yeah but I checked in the database instead... alakhazam, it was there. I didn't feel like it was any point with making it public, the person didn't do anything wrong anyhow... the error lollipops though.

i tried in the db, too, (with links, as it's my only browser with ssl ) but the page didnt load...

didn't mozilla also have ssl support? I think I had a version of mozilla with ssl :/
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yes, but mine is built without it for some strange reason
It's from a .deb, so perhaps i need something like mozilla-ssl additionally... (like there's a packet for links, and links-ssl)

can't find any of mozilla-ssl pkgs on apt maybe updating will help out
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-->And really, there's quite a difference between heroine -->and .NET. No, you don't HAVE to try it. I've never tried
-->lots of programming languages! But usually you should -->give it a go before criticizing it heavily...
Another big difference between heroin and M$ ``.NET'' is that .NET most definitely doesn't make you feel good

lol...

kagez: the package you need for ssl in mozilla (and galeon, and all other gecko browsers...) in debian is called mozilla-psm.