Call me crazy, but anything is possible. What I am setting out to do, with 3 other programmers is to make an email system called SuperMail. Sure, that may sound easy, but here's the catch. What we are trying to do is allow subscribers of the email service to send attachments 1-200 megs in size.

I know what you're thinking. You think I'm crazy and this'll never work. But I'm afraid to say that anything is possible.

For further information, PM me.

[ This Message was edited by: OctavianAugustus on 2003-09-11 19:44 ]

200 megs isn't much if you have connection like we have in japan... only like 150 secs or less DL time if you get a japanese server and you are in japan too.... I don't see what the big catch about this is...
Also, a minimum of 1 meg seems to be quite big to me. I don;t think I've had attachments bigger than 1 meg more than 5 or 6 times up to now...

Btw, what will this email system be intended for? Pirating software or what... else I can't explain the big attachment size...
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It is merely for modders who are making a large mod over the net. Most mods will end up being over 10 megs. Some even bigger ones should end up being 100 megs.

ahhh, ok, now it starts making sence
Sounds good
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Why dont use ftp or ssh?
Lemmih

because both sides need to be online at the same time? Not if you use a server, but well....
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Hmm... I think "e-mail" isn't the best word for this anymore, but yes, the idea is good. It would actually be really easy to impliment but obscenely expensive to maintain the servers, unless very few people used the service.

EDIT: Not to mention it'd take a long time to download/upload stuff. FTP is a much better choice than writing your own anyway, IMO.

[ This Message was edited by: cowsarenotevil on 2003-09-03 07:20 ]

e-baggage or e-pack
maybe somebody should invent something like this!
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Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do. Invent it. Or it could be e-parcel. Anyway, what I'm also trying to do is get rid of the long upload and download times. Which would require most people having Cable/DSL.

Getting rid of the long upload/download times is not something that can be done with code, you need a fast connection for your server, which is insanely expensive. So unless you charge a huge amount for this service, either you'll go broke or it'll be slower than almost all other similar services.

well, it's not completely true that you can't get higher download speeds with code only. You can indeed. Virtually that is.
Compression may be the keyword. SSH does it, and compressing like 50kb/s is also a piece of cake for P2s even. So you could virtually make you connection faster with code only. Connection Compression indeed needs a lot of CPU-Power, because data is compressed in real time, but it does pay out.
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I don't think there would be much benefit from what Kage suggests, because most large files will be gzipped, pkzipped, etc., already.

I also don't see what the challenge that was mentioned in the subject of this thread is. This seems like a very straighforward project that should be doable by one person in a small amount of time. (Not to mention that pretty much all e-mail programs [web or otherwise] probably already support this.)

Actually, barely any would support an attachment that high in size. AOL, for example, only supports 10 or 15 megs max, I believe. I can't think of one e-mail program that would allow you to do that. Besides Neomail, or Horde, which I have installed on my site. They'll allow you to, but that chews up bandwith. [addsig]

Hmm, I'm guessing AOL modified their e-mail client to prevent large attatchements, rather than the opposite.

Either way, I can't wait until AOL stock hits rock bottom and they go out of business. [addsig]

Smerdyakov:
If you'd have properly read what he tried to do, you would probably have realized, that you didn't hit the topic at all... he isn't intended to write a email client in any way. I think what he refers to also isn't e-mail anymore, but a completely new system (well, since he talks about a system... quite obvious...)
Please, if you think you really need to post your negative impressions about things:
1) Read the posts properly
2) Write objective (ok, this time it was objective, yes) critics.
3) Maybe also try to find some positive aspects.
There are positive things for everything too.
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I think I read the posts quite accurately enough, and I maintain my views. It doesn't matter if he doesn't plan to make "a complete e-mail client"; the point is that such clients already do what he is proposing.

I could try to mention "positive aspects," but my overall view of the proposal is that the author tries to make a very simple project (which probably duplicates existing open source solutions) sound ground-breaking. If he can provide more information to show that I'm wrong, then I'll be glad to read it. Until that time, I won't try to praise someone or his ideas for doing something not worth doing.

Yes, perhaps I may go broke. But I'm still in school and my parents happen to be quite well off. Owning a newspaper, so I shouldn't be too worried about going broke.

Smerdy - I have no idea what I am to say to prove you wrong. But I am glad I have gotten support from Kagez. Possible you as well, I haven't read your posts properly.

Octva, I wasn't talking about you going broke, I was talking about AOL. I have some grudges against them, but I still use them . [addsig]

Well someone said I might go broke. I could charge something like $10 a month for the low-end plan, (1-100 meg attachments) and the high-end plan could be $20 a month, (1-200 meg attachments).

Now I hope you're all nice people and you won't steal my idea and build the email client yourself before me.

what is it now? a client or a complete system? make yourself clear.
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An email system if you must know Kagez. Really Kagez, do you ever read any of my threads properly?

Octva, or however you spell it, KaGez read your posts properly, but you just continue to contradict yourself as it seems.
And, I don't think it's a good idea to raise your attitude to an admin. [addsig]

I was only joking though. I never raised by attitude, but at least my little thread has gathered interest. Staying at the top of this forum for quite some time. I even have a rank! "Kiddie"!

You'd have that rank even if you had no posts [addsig]

I still cant get why you dont want to use ftp. And do you really think anyone would pay for something they can get for free?

Lemmih

Octavian, to summarize my position:

What you are proposing to do is not challenging. It is completely trivial. Acting like it is challenging makes you sound ignorant.

Okay, Smerdy. This is your final warning. Quit with that kind of attitude or I'll kick you out and you won't be coming back. [addsig]

What's wrong with his post? He's entitled to his own opinions, and he does have a point.

Who ever said that FTP thing - Yes, but some people may not be good at FTP stuff. And of course if you want a good FTP program, you'll have to pay heaps of money just to buy it. So instead of paying 400 for CuteFTP, why don't you just pay 10-20 dollars a month instead? You'll probably only need it for around 2-3 months. Less money to spend.

"Cowsarenotevil" - Always putting me down, if you can't say something nice, don't post in my thread.

The guy who posted saying something to "C.A.N.E" - Why thank you.

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On 2003-09-10 14:53, OctavianAugustus wrote:
Who ever said that FTP thing - Yes, but some people may not be good at FTP stuff. And of course if you want a good FTP program, you'll have to pay heaps of money just to buy it. So instead of paying 400 for CuteFTP, why don't you just pay 10-20 dollars a month instead? You'll probably only need it for around 2-3 months. Less money to spend.


Why dont just use a free ftp client? And most ftp clients are really easy to use.

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"Cowsarenotevil" - Always putting me down, if you can't say something nice, don't post in my thread.

The guy who posted saying something to "C.A.N.E" - Why thank you.


First of all, no one posted saying anything to "C.A.N.E," so I don't know what you mean, and if you can't take constructive critisism, then maybe you should simply say not to post unless you think my idea is perfect and are willing to do it exacly as I say, so that you don't get any.

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On 2003-09-08 18:44, OctavianAugustus wrote:
An email system if you must know Kagez. Really Kagez, do you ever read any of my threads properly?


well, was there a post you didn't switch between "email system" and "email client"?
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Cowsarenotevil - I never said that!

A free FTP client? Don't those usually have a 30 day trial period. You can't finish a mod for a game in that time.

Every version of Windows since at least 98 has come with an FTP client. UNIX distributions have had one for even longer.

Quote:A free FTP client? Don't those usually have a 30 day trial period. You can't finish a mod for a game in that time.


There are tons of free ones; quite a few come with a GUI also.

Well if you will not help, I will continue to go on with this. Goodbye

Smerdy - Huh? I didn't get one with my Windows 98 version.

C.A.N.E. - Think of it as an enhanced version of an FTP program, online.

You did get C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\FTP.EXE

I wish I had known that before I went on my free FTP client program hunt (I did settle on SmartFTP, an excellent program ) [addsig]

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C.A.N.E. - Think of it as an enhanced version of an FTP program, online.


So is it an advanced FTP client, a weird e-mail client, a server/client system, or what?

Ah well, I don't need your help then. You're all just making me confused.

I could at least give you some hints, but I really have no clue what you're trying to make...

Neu, you got me all excited, lol!

Actually, mine didn't come with an FTP program located at C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\FTP.EXE either. [addsig]

OK. Go to teh DOS prompt. Type "ftp." If it doesn't work, reinstal windows and repeat. Thank you for reading the official "how to start FTP guide"

Now that's one smart cow.

If it's not in your System32 (Win2K\XP), it's probably in System (Win9x\ME) [addsig]