The user "Henning" has submitted a few code snippets/programs/tutorials in the webdev section. He has got pretty low ratings (6 to 7), but yet he is #1 in the Hall Of Fame.

This shows the rating system is unfair.

He also brings another problem up. Before Sasq2 (the new web page), there were only 2 categories: code snippets and tutorials. The "program" sections were created for bigger programs.

Henning has submitted 2 very similar code snippets in the program section. They should of course be in the "code snippet" section.

Also, it's prefered that you write your programs (and the comments) in english.

Ja henning wenn du kein englisch verstehst solltest dus vielleich tsein lassen aber ich denke dass du es verstehst! denn koentest du es auch mit deiner deutschen homepage ändern! nur ein rat!

Oh, cmon robert. there are guys that are happy to get code written even with latin coments. I'm lithuanian guy. i comment in lithuanian. i wanna submit a code. do i have to rewrite it, or what?

wake up. if you dont like him, doent read his codes. i'm sure there will be lots of people that'll be hapy to get his codes.

Well... It is true that #1 in HoF is a bit strange... It was me who came up with the "equation" with which the rating is calculated, and I thought it would work pretty well... I think it did up to now... Perhaps we can change it by doing +(0.2 * count_of_submitted_stuff) instead of +(0.1 * ...).
Tough that would probably make the system more prone to submitting th
ousands of little 3-line snippets to get a good r+ating...

Then, we could check for the size of the doc, and if it's --> 200kb or something, it is allowed to go to "programs", and docs in "Programs" are rated better (get a +0.5 bonus or something) than mere snippets. It's not a very elegant solution, tho, but might work. What do you think?
Or we could make it so that simply all points are added together... Perhaps with some penalties for documents that got rated [ This Message was edited by: fsvara on 2002-01-17 18:57 ]

Oh robst86 you are right
i will change it.
And monedud i will make a new
Homepage in English because my german
Homepage is a privat Homepage.
nonama i have write all "Programms"
in german and have translate in English.

But i think we dosen´t fighting for rating!!!

Henning

Henning: true.

Svara: good idea..

svara:
Your idea is good, but there is only 1 thing I don't agree with ... the limit of 200kb is pretty big, and unless you code some 1000 lines you won't be able to submit it as a programm (unless you add some graphics into the archive or something like that). My OpenGL terrain fractal is a complete program, in the level of complexity, as well on the level of performace. It has only 700 lines atm. and that will never be 200kb ... anyways, just a idea
Maybe just making it 50kb or so will help it

But I think that stuff with the comments is a important thing. What do you write the comments for (in case the code is opensource) ? I write it so that other ppls are able to understand and learn from it (at least I try to ), so I think it's important to have comments in a language that everybody understands, as well as the posts in the forum. Only my opinion tho
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nonama: The idea with english comments is that everyone should be able to read. Lithuanian comments are just as helpful as no comments (for 99.8% of the community).

Heh, guys... Do you have any idea of how much code you have to write to get a 50KB compressed file? At least about 10000 lines. I think we should decide from case to case instead. If someone breaks the rules, he gets flamed

What about the following formula for points in the hall of fame?

p = (
tutorials*0.1 +
programs*0.1 +
code snippets*0.025 +
links*0.005 +
average_rating(tutorials) +
average_rating(progrmas) +
average_rating(code snippets)*0.25
)

(Note: Unrated stuff should not be counted as 0-rated ones, they shouldn't be counted at all)

robert:
try to make a sample implementation that would work on it's own so fabs or Peter or whoever is gonna implent it can do it fast
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kagez: that 200kb was just the first thing that came to my mind, you're right, it's very large. We would have to experiment a bit with that.
robert: your forumla looks ok, but i don't agree with giving 0.025 or 0.005 as bonus. It's next to nothing, people would have to sibmit 200 links to get one point... Good links with a lot of information are worth a lot. I suggest +0.1 for links and snippets, too.


We could also try a new way of finding a rating for a document, not using the average.

For example, a documented could be voted on like
10,10,10,9,0,10. The rating "0" would be ignored by that system, because it is so extremely different from the rest that it probably was a mistake or somebody stupid.
Same goes for like 0,0,0,0,9,0 of course.

but how would you implent it? it sounds good, but also hard to code ... without _really_ thinking about it ... there will be a way tho, and if somebody finds it, it will be the best rating sys I've ever seen
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well, it isn't a complete rating system by itself, but perhaps a better way to find the rating for a tut than just taking the average...

Something like robert suggested would still be needed... and perhaps also checking for size when submitting a "program"...

I'll compile all these suggestions into a doc and put it online once i find the time, so we have a nice overview...

If you guys want it, I could help you and write some functions you could then implent into sasquatch
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If svara could put up the cvs with sasq2, you could start coding

oh, and please don't forget to include a db (structure) dump in the tarball
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Hi all,

Implementing svara's idea may not be so hard, (10,10,0,10). U just need to calculate the variance, see if its over the limit, if it is, remove that entry. I don't remember the exact procedure, u'll will be having it under statistics subject.

Bye,
Abhi.

talking is easy, but most of it wold maybe understand it faster in form of code
Maybe show us some PHP (C would also do it) code about what you're talking about
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yeah.. cvs... i know...

well, i'll try to have it avaialable by onight.. i'm quite sleepy and dizzy, but at the same time full of energy for wokring for the ypn!

huh? where does that CVS come from now? :/
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the last thign peter posted..

ah, ok, didn't look at the previous page, sorry
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