Since nobody told me to don't do so, and nobody'd do it anyways, I'll try to allocate some space for the YPN on SF.
34sp.com takes money, which fabs has to pay, they're down about half of the month (ok, it's not that extreme, but they're down pretty often). They have a bandwidth limit and blah. So, why stay in here and pay for this bad (I mean it) conditions?
I'm off for submitting a request to SF...
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SF?

uh, you registered ypn at sf??

Hm, it was down once or twice this month, afaik.

We need a new host, if SF can host it - that's good. Maybe we finally can get some space for user programs.

YPN is getting like a dictature with 5 independent dictators... Whenever a decision is to be made, everything gets messed up (moving to OPN, adding adavus as op, and now this). Maybe we should try to solve this problem in some way.

What is SF?

SourceForge... http://sourceforge.net/

robost:
now wait... I've tried to discuss it with you guys in the channel, and then suddenly both, you and Peter were away, without saying a word... I waited about 30 mins for a reply of one of you, and since nobody replied in _any_ way, I decided to register...
[addsig]

i think asking somebody something is not a good idea here. just do it!

you will be called jerk or a hero.

good luck. i hope i will not need sf account.

Quote:
On 2002-03-11 09:47, nonama wrote:
i think asking somebody something is not a good idea here. just do it!
you will be called jerk or a hero.


gah, shut up nonama.

it is true that there is a very real communication problem. use email in the future for such cases. i agree that moving to sf is a good thing, but i strongly disagree with how it is done - somebody just registering it... without it getting dicsussed in any way, or anybody even getting informed about it _before_ it happens...

i must say i'm really unhappy... gah..

I agree with fsvara. These solo-decisions should not be made. So, if you can't find the people you need to talk to on the chan, write them an EMail or something and wait for them to reply. That's the problem with all sorts of 'democratic' processes, they are sort of slow...

But who cares? Moving ypn to SF for example is nothing that has to be decided within seconds... [addsig]

how much would cost a server to place ypn on?

moondude: luckily, that's not the only way to get the ypn online

if you have a few k euro for buying the server, then 1k euro per month for the internet connection, we might think about it...

yap, YPN is inefficient to the max [addsig]

do you have some sort of affinity for the word "inefficient"?

IbYdI: yeah, we're totally defunct, just because we don't agree and act like a well-oiled machinery. I'm going to hang myself.

I don't really have any problems with the way things are around here... I've never gotten any of the downtime you guys are talking about, and I certainly don't think that's the fault of anyone who's in charge of the site...

34sp is not as reliable as it could be. It really isn't very dramatic, but you have like 1 day downtime per month...
and you regularily get "connection refused" to it, which goes away after trying again a few times, though.

heh.... use email... and who the hell should I have emailed? you? and then you'd have decided if we register @ SF or not? What's the diff?
[addsig]

I've tried registering us at SF, the thing is they rejected us and I still haven't received any answer why. I think what they have a problem with is that we can't garantuee a license and although they do have a "website-only" option, it seems these projects are rejected anyway. SF has truly dissapointed me here because not only did they reject a project wich is definatelly a project in the spirit of open-source and free software, no, they also haven't been able to explain why they rejected it.

fabs

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heh.... use email... and who the hell should I have emailed? you? and then you'd have decided if we register @ SF or not? What's the diff?

The "diff" is that I have a right to know. WHo should you have emailed? With some common sense you'll figure that one out yourself. And then I'd have decided if we register at sf? Read what I said. We should have decided together, and agree on the description for example. I (and not only me of course) should know about important decisions before they are made.

fabs: There are quite some "web page only" projects on sf... some with only little content... i dunno, what did you tell them as description of the project?

oh yes, _you_ need to know about all important decisions ...
[addsig]

It's not only about svara, but about me and fabs too.. I would like to know in advance when someone registers YPN somewhere. It's not such a big deal though.

Peter:
You were in the chan, and in the moment I mentioned this you and rob_ert we "suddely" away ...
[addsig]

Quote:
On 2002-03-13 06:14, KaGez wrote:
oh yes, _you_ need to know about all important decisions ...


yes i do, as i am still part of the ypn team, just like peter and fabs.

the point is in doing things _together_

I was obviosly away, which I can't help. I find this discussion pointless. Any conclusions whatsoever?

the point is in doing things _together_

svara,

i looks like it's imposible to do things together. esp with you. you like lithuanian[stabdys].

er, what?

stabdys = break (in car)
or in slang
person who drags everyone back
example to degradation, or stown age

that's the spirit, nonama, that'll make us a very good community.

grr, now that i could decipher what you meant to tell us i can only say...
PLONK!
(google for that if you're not familiar with usenet terminology )

whatever, what's the matter with you? in your eyes, i'm a pessimist, i keep the ypn in the stone age (34sp, that is...)...

perhaps consider to simply read and understand what i write. communication has nothing to do with holding anything back. it's the opposite. perhaps what you find "pessimistic" can better be described as "realistic". while i have nothing against enthusiastic plans, some things just don't work (yet?).
if i point that out (imo correctly, but that's just me, heh) i'm a pessimist keeping everone back.
pah.
and now don't come with your beloved "tesla". electricity has a scientific background. what most over enthusiastic "wannabe teslas" want doesn't. get over it.


-- Svara, in the hope of not having written too much shit sooo late in the evening

Tell me more 'bout tesla!

[addsig]

ok, I think nonama went a bit too far, but my opinion is going into the same direction.
.... NOOOOOOO, it's not the _same_ . I'm in the ypn for a long time now, and I also know fsvara personally. No offence, but svara is putting _way_ less energy in things that aren't his own projects... ok, somewhere I understand it, but since he is OP in the ypn, and also one of the admins, he should care a little bit more about it. I don't want to attack him, it's just what I've seen until now, if I'm wrong, proove me wrong and I'll take it back. But, honestly, what did fsvara do up to now for example for sasquatch? Or maybe, for the ypn in general?

fsvara:
no, I don't want to attack you with this, it just seems to be a mistery to me why you want to know about all the stuff, if you haven't done much up to now. So, no offence
[addsig]

ghm...

i think this community needs something. i mean, when i wanted to do something to ypn everyone atacked me. now everyone attacks svara. also we are attacking kagez for his 'fair' stuff. what the scandisk is wrong with us (except me:)j/k)

Heh, what's wrong with criticism and communication? Saying "you lollipop" and other kinds of personal attacks are of course not accepted. But discussing fair rating etc. is no problem, or is it?

As for "attacking" svara, it was you who called him a pessimist who brings down the entire YPN.

All development is not good development, and you should understand why we disliked your offer about DevCCN, because your criticsms made it look like Sasquatch is a piece of junk with no future.

And no, this is not an attack on you . I'm just telling things from my perspective.

sasquatch has no future if you alow more then 10 programers work on it. try that =)


anyway. look at topic making ypn better place.

a PHP engine doesn't have to be sprad in the whole web. The main thing is that it works. It work almost perfect for the YPN's needs. So why shouldn't it have no future?
All PHP-engines I know, that are wide-spread in the web are getting worse and worse with every release (just look at PHPnuke).
So I think small PHP engines are good
[addsig]

I agree with KaGez last sentence!

And I also think that it is quite cool that we have our own little PHP-engine for our site. That's what the [i]spirit[i] of the ypn is in my opinion: Doing something yourself rather than using other ppl's programs.

And how cool is our community if the members can perhaps even co-develope the site? [addsig]

yes. small engines are good. as it is now sasquatch has perfect future. its kind of slow, but it has. keep on good work. btw when will you change the poll?

what kind of uplink do you have in lithuania? isdn for 6million people?

uplink?

whatever there are 3,49 mln ppl in lithuania

hehe
svara:
why do you ask?
[addsig]

because he finds sasquatch slow. I wonder how he can notice that, unless he's "surfing" at like a few bytes per second

for me it's fast :/
at least I haven't noticed a slow place in it up to now
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