KaGez, why don't you enlighten me by telling me how to use an IRC client even though you are behind a firewall... Please do, telling me I get nothing accomplished by being agressive, you get nothing acconplished by locking that thread. Oh please do explain how you do it...

BTW, it is you who first said you would ask, if you do not care that I do not like you, why did you not ask?

Another note, as Peter says, this is 'our' community, why did we not vote on who is an op? Why do we not vote on who is a moderator? You just say it is our community, I am not seeing alot of say so.

ok, what I do is simple. I boot linux, starts X, starts X-Chat and then it works. It's a bit slower than connection without firewall and proxy, but I don't care about that little speed loss.
How should I know how your firewall is configured? Ask your ISP, that's what support is called @ your ISP's place I think.

And yes, I asked. I got told that there were procedures, and if we really want to have it, they will have to call a meeting and discuss security issues and performance it needs and such. I don't to make them such a lot of work for just 1 guy who can't connect with a IRC client. Btw, there are tons of Java IRC clients out there. Maybe those will help you. One I could give you is TpChat (japanese afaik). Search on google for it.

heh... voting for OPs? I think those who work hard for the YPN should get OP. Everybody could come and give ppls a little bit of money and let them choose him as OP.

I locked that threat because the discussion was _over_ there isn't anything to say anymore about it. (unless you want to argue on) I think I don't need any explanation after you've read all that was written on the 2nd page of that thread
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Mintegra: We happen to have OP because we happen to be the people who have created this community in the first place. And don't tell us we're abusing our rights as OP/moderator because we hardly use them at all. If I was doing so, you'd be banned for a long time.
fabs

It would simply be idiocy to give everybody in this community the same rights. This is where democracy fails in my opinion.

Everything in society is build up and maintained by few ppl. All the others make use of what those ppl achieved and pretend to be the real workers...

Do something for this community and your efforts will be appreciated and valued. I'm here for about a year now and I know the active 'core' of the ypn quite well. They all treat other members fair, though KaGez may appear a bit moody sometimes. That's due to certain ppl who can'T stop going on his nerves [addsig]

It depends on what firewall you are behind, if you are behind a school firewall, that type of thing, either java/cgi IRC alternative, of tunnel the IRC connection though a socks proxy, as this is easiest, but I can only help you on Windows. I know nothing about that lollipopy, haxxored OS - Linux
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Mox:
I'm not really moody, it's just that "certain persons" try to get on my nerves lately (no names, no). I don't want to just kill my feelings. If I'm angry, I show that I'm angry. And, mosts "cleanups" on this board are done by me, because i'm simply the OP that looks most into here...
So it's like that I get flamed for always being the first one... You can't blame me for that...
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KaGez, you are stupid or something. You can not just boot linux and run xwindows, then xchat is around the firewall. All the ports are blocked except the http port. You are so stupid.

Another note, a Java IRC client also runs the connection off of your computer, and if you have a firewall it won't work either dumbass.

BTW, what did KaGez do that was so outstanding for the community to become a moderator?

[ This Message was edited by: mintegra on 2002-04-30 20:29 ]

Well, he's been sticking with ypn _long_. He has submitted lot'S of code and stuff. He is also involved in the webengine projects Sasquatch and Yowie! and I'm sure he's done more than this.

And even if he had done nothing outstanding but only a few little things, well, even then he would have more right to be op than most ppl in here. [addsig]

Mintegra:
ok, as you seem to know _everything_ on this world.... you can call up my ISP, ask him if I'm behind a firewall and a proxy. They will say you 100%ly "Yes" (You know, I know my ISP better than you, even if you know everything in this world ). So, what do I do then? Nothing. You can come over, inspect my whole computer. I just boot linux, use dhcpd to get my IP address, start X and open up Xchat and I can connect.
And, it _highly_ depends on how that java client is programmed if you're shut out or not. That Java client I mentioned connects over port 80 from your PC to another server, which handles the connection to the IRC server for you. Another possiblity would be, that you just have a client written in japan, that does nothing else than replacing for example xchat on you computer. Those are quite useless, yeah...
Anyways, in case of my firewall many ports are blocked, but it seems like those that IRC uses per std are open. That's why I tell you to call up your ISP and ask which ports are open and which not. They will even help peoples like you And, I _highly_ doubt it that all ports except for the http port (I think you mean 80 ) are blocked. Then you couldn't do:
Telnet
SSH
FTP
CVS
Pop3 email except from your ISP
blablahblahblahblah

What I did for the YPN? I was one of those who were constantly active, and it seems like I joined the YPN almost right after it was renamed. I helped on coding sasquatch, now helping on the new version of sasquatch, coding on yowie (home made messageboard of the YPN). I provided tutorials/code snippets when still almost no active members except the current OPs were here, I constantly gave ideas for making the YPN a better place and helped where I could. Still any questions about what I did here?

And, if you act that agressive towards all, you'll end up alone pretty fast
have a nice day all
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what webbased irc client would you offer. java is ok. i wound no good ones yet. plz help me....

in school there are no irc client installed and we all have quest rights only, plus no place to store something.

btw, if you don't belive me to be the most active member, check out the number of posts I've made I've made approx 20% of all posts in this forum. If you don't cal this active, what are you then?
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KaGez: for a long time, all ports except 80 were blocked in my school too. I don't get why you assume that he's talking about his home connection.

Mintegra: Exactly, java IRC clients work as any other irc client, so they are also blocked by the firewall.

However, there are CGI IRC pages ot there already. We could put a link to some of them on our site.

I don't doubt the usefulness of installing such a thing on our server, but I don't know if we are allowed to do so, and how much it would slow down. In any case, we'd need to make it a user-only function, to avoid abuse. This would make it half as useful, as non-registered members might want to check out the channel. So I'd say we stick to links.

Btw, stop calling people names all the time. If you can't argument without calling people "idiot", "dubmass" or "fucking bitch", you disprove your ability to work in a community.

A last note: YPN is a semi-democratic community. As there are so diverse interests and opinions in this community, it's necessary to keep some control as founders and maintainers. We don't abuse our powers, and we try not to be moody either, although we are just humans.

peace

/me is not just a human but a highly developed artificial super-intelligence with IRC and phpbb support.

Down in the dust with you, menial humans! [addsig]

See imagine if the creators of AI Mox did not implement emotions, how boring would Mox be.
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KaGez, I can not access anything other than port 80. You did not get around your firewall using xchat, it is just configured so you can use irc. Mine is not, the only solution is using a cgi irc program, because it goes through port 80. When did I say you know everything? Your the one who acts like you know everything. It does not depend on how the Java program is programmed, if it is a Java client, then it runs from your connection to an irc server, not through the webserver, therefore it won't work.

You can just tunnel it, as I said before, or were you too busy trin to make Kagez look bad??

oh, looks like there _are_ people who don't even know the word tunneling
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OMFG HE DOESN'T KNOW THE WORD TUNNELING HE MSUT BE SOO STUPID!?!?!??!?!?!?!

fsvara:
what did you want to say now?
1) "Is everybody that doesn't know the word tunneling dumb?"
2) are you laughing at him?
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well, people should know that most things I (and most other people) write ALL-CAPS with deliberate typos (MSOT) and more than two !? at the end should be taken with _heavy_ irony...

KaGez, you did not even mention tunneling. You probably did not know what it was untill you looked it up. Read through your post, and see how intelligent you seem. Your firewall must not block IRC, mine does, your solution (if you call it that) of running Linux and X-Chat will not work..

We all make mistakes, and try to cover up our pride, let those be. It will come back on you.

Mintegra:
1) I think I know tunneling for _far_ longer than you
2) If that's not your home connection, but instead the one in school, I see _absolutely_ no need to connect to IRC. In school you are supposed to learn, and not play with IRC I think that's why the firewall blocks that port, because you are _not_ supposed to play with IRC in school. And, if that's your home connection, where the scandisking hell do you live?!
Thank you for you attention gentlemen
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Quote:
In school you are supposed to learn, and not play with IRC I think that's why the firewall blocks that port, because you are _not_ supposed to play with IRC in school


what a laudible attitude. i concur that people using irc from school are lamers.. hear that peter?

hehe, I'm crying giant tears

oh, hehe, sorry peter
but I didn't say a signle word about lame
But I'd be interested why the ports were closed at your school (to Peter). Just curious


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cheers



KaGez

[ This Message was edited by: KaGez on 2002-05-10 21:05 ]

KaGez: they considered it a security risk.. dunno why they stopped blocking them after a while .