What the heck is it with all these guys who call theirselves OPs? (decluding moxx. he's the only fine one atm... and devusb, since he's still in learning phase) You sit on your chair, with a big grin in your face and this sign in your hand "I am OP", but you all won't move your fat ass! I am completely sick of this. I already took all OP privileges from peter, and if this attitude doesn't change I will leave the YPN as soon as partyfish is done. I hope I made myself clear enough.And now don't ask me "what is there to do?". There are _tons_ of things to do. But, you won't see em if you sit on your chair like that, waiting for somebody to ask you for something....
[addsig]

can you be more specific?

Thanks

sure. which part is unclear to you?
btw, forgot to declude you (sacah), since you do your stuff great imho. You're active in IRC, you care if we have things to discuss, you're almost always there, you check the msg board. But, it looks like even that is _very_ hard to complete in the YPN
anyways, tell me which part you want in detail, and I'll post again.
[addsig]

We cleared it up on irc well, ops need to be more active in YPN as well as irc, and they need to help make ypn go forth, Im sorry to say, I have no time, one of those things with gettin older, mabye we need to pass it onto more younger ones, as I will be leavie YPN in a short while too. Well hang around still, but not able to do much.

When I leave, you won't see me in the YPN chan anymore after I leave. I will still be on freenode, but not in the YPN chan.
Well, to go into detail about this issue:
as sacah said, these 3 guys naming theirself founder should either get something going, or drop their OP stuff. I mean, what does somebody who isn't in the chan or the msg board need OP or Moderator stuff in the chan/forum? Nothing. The YPN currently is standing on 1 place. The only 2 people who are thinking of new things we could pack into the YPN page are moxx and me, and we also try to get them into partyfish as well as possible. No feature requests, no helping hand, no nothing. I've had _very_ few bug reports on partyfish so far, all where from moxx, devusb, dxprog and myself. And, there are at least 2 official mirrors, including sacah's server we have 3, tho I dunno if it still is up.
And, I hope devusb will be able to take over my part later after I leave. He's a quite cool guy imho, and I think he'll be able to do this after he found his way. Anyways, to devusb:
If you happen to continue my path, don't do the same mistake I did. You must be aware that these guys are awsomely lazy, and if you do everything yourself, they're gonna lean back and say "Yeah, I don't need to do it, devusb will". And this certainly sux!
Anyways, I'm really curious about how the YPN will look after I leave. No news, forum full with spam and stuff. What a great site! Maybe you guys could already start thinking about what each of you will do later. And, I would advise you to do so
Anyways, partyfish now is my last job in the YPN. As soon as partyfish is up and running on this site, I'm outa here.
[addsig]

have you given devusb full admin in forums, we need to look for more ppl who want to become admins, so devusb is not only one, as moxx probly wont stay for too much longer.
Moxx, whats your plans?

afaik he going to a university atm, so he doesn't have much time for his puter left. When we (moxx and I) talked about this in the chan some days ago, to me it sounded like partyfish will be his last work in here too.
But, I'm not too sure if I got this wrong or if he meant it. Let's see
[addsig]

Yer, we will see.
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Quote:
On 2002-10-30 22:44, KaGez wrote:
You must be aware that these guys are awsomely lazy,

thankyou.

no problem!
but seriously, what should I else say? Don't tell me that you are putting effort into the YPN. Even if I like you personally, I can't lie about this. I don't want to start a war or anything, definitely not. I just say what I see, and it looks like I am not the only one who sees it like this. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but I can't see anything coming from you 4 guys. OK, svara's active in the chan every now and then, but that's also mostly for short periods (at least in my logs :/). Fabs sometimes appears, hangs in the chan for some mins, and then his connection dies and he's away for the next 23 1/2 hours. Peter doesn't show up at all. Robert is there and talking, yes, but that's all he does... at least something tho
Anyways, even if you guy would start doing stuff now, my decision won't change anymore, and it's definite for me:
Partyfish is the last thing I'm gonna do in here. After that you guys will have to contact gniibe yourself (better do it regularry ), code your php engine stuff yourself (or let moxx do it alone, but that isn't a too good idea imho :/), organize stuff yourself, get new polls up, post news.... well, have fun. As stated above, I'm outa here as soon as partyfish is up'n runnin.
[addsig]

hm, "Peter doesn't show up at all" is quite wrong.. I really feel hurt by the way you're treating me specifically.. otherwise I'm all understanding what you're saying.

[ This Message was edited by: Peter on 2002-11-02 11:05 ]

well, all the above was posted when you obviously were on vacation, so I could clear that out by now, since I didn't know you were on vacation. I also wonder why robert didn't mention that you're on vacation.
Anyways, sorry about that thing that you don't show up, since it obviously wasn't really your fault.
[addsig]

look for new ppl, and actually make it clear they will be takin over, train them over next few months, help them developt then leave.

EASY
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sacah: hehe

KaGez: ok.. so basically what you said was about the past week? okay, then it's... sorted out, I hope?

well, as said in the general forum, peace
[addsig]

I know I'm not as actively involved with he ypn as i used to be. However, kagez is greatly exaggerating. Looking at the bb post count you can see i have the second largest amount of posts, directly followed by Peter. It is not true that i'm never in the chan. I guess I'm reading about 80% of what's going on there. Kagez not seeing me active often might have something to do with timezones...

I know I haven't been active as an admin at all in the near past. But, what is there to do for me? I know that is what kagez "didn't want to be asked", but I just have to.
The main thing that there can actually be done is develop "partyfish". I know I might be able to get into that, but I do not have the impression that my help in that matter would be needed at all. Other than that, developing a php engine is not exactly what my interests lie in.
As for posting news - there is no real policy at all about what should be posted. I read slashdot daily, but it'd make no sense to just copy /. stories, right? However, looking at the front page, I see just that, more or less relevant news items of the past. The YPN related news are all partyfish specifc stuff.

So. What does kagez want an admin to be? A developer of partyfish? I do not believe that has ever been the point of our website's engine, recruiting ypn admins.
As for just being generally active in the ypn channel and forums, I believe I fulfill that criteria.

Now, Kagez will argue there is so much to do to keep ypn in shape, keep it moving. I might agree with that, but, kagez has actually done a pretty good job at taking over ypn. He is the only one actually communicating with the server's admin (which is probably because of the language, mainly) and, as he is develoiping partyifhs, is the only 'real' admin anyway, by the house-made defintion I outlined above.

From this point of view, it appears to me Kagez is actually complaining about being the current ypn leader. If that is not what he wanted to be, that is no reason to start ranting about the lazyness of the "so-called admins and founders" on the forums.

If what you actually want is admiration for the great job you've been doing, I can resign and give up my status as a ypn admin in tribute. This is not to say that I do not respect what you've been doing - Partyfish looks quite awesome for what I've seen, but again, no reason to go ranting.

Other than that, I feel it is quite unfair to bash the "ops" like that. I outlined my understanding of your reasoning above, and while I believe I understand you, I do not think it is a legitimate reason to discredit fabs, peter and me in that way. After all, without any one of us, we would not be arguing here in the first place.

Hey guys.

So, my plans are to become less active in YPN. Heh, you can certainy say that I've already fulfilled this plan, but not deliberately. As KaGez said I'm going to University right now and that cut my freetime dramatically.

I guess that I'll never leave totally. I'll stay a YPN member and will watch its development with interest. After all it was too nice a time for me to leave once and forever.

Like KaGez and sacah I would like to have some new guys to take over Op-Responsibility.

This whole discussion is kind of difficult, I think. I can understand KaGez totally. Hanging around in the chan and reading what others write is not exactly what I'd call an op-job, so there's really not much being done by any op. There have been so interesting ideas in the YPN, like Online lectures and stuff, but nothing really became true. I think that is kind of frustrating.

Whatever, fsvara is right, you can not take the admin rights from the founders.
Still, even the founders have to come to the conclusion that they need to find new people when their time is too limited to fulfill their tasks. [addsig]