As long as we are in this trivia thing why dont we discuss how many languages we know?? Mr. Smerdyakov aparently knows many languages
Personally I know 3 like the back of my hand but total... hmmm
1) Java
2) C++
3) Visual Basic
4) Perl
5) Python
6) C#
7) Euphoria
X Lang (dont ask)
9) Javascript
10) ASP
11) HTML
12) XML (if u call it a language)
13) PHP
14) Coldfusion
annndd 15) CSS

In the realm of "knowing it like the back of my hand":
1. VBasic (duh)
2. ASP
3. PHP
4. HTML
5. JavaScript
6. CSS
7. SQL (if that can be called a language)
Thing I don't know like the back of my hand
8. C\C++

Well, there you go.

[addsig]

There is really only one language worth knowing, but mentioning it around here seems to gain you a reputation as a zealot or something.

gian: Yes indeed and there is only 1 person to blame for that. Don't starting behaving like Smerdyakov please.

Yeah, one Smerdy is bad enough [addsig]

See, I didn't even have to say it.

If you try it, you will see. Making judgements based purely on preconceptions is never a good thing.

We're human and we judge what we see.

And that is a good reason to ignore sound advice given to you?

Yes.

I learned things in life. I learned in school, in books, with friends, and with all kinds of things and people we trust.

... and then *boom*, that mostly random guy from IRC says that what I learned during the course of 10 years was wrong, should be thrown down the drain and traded for what he present like the one true secret for an happier life.

My past knownledge weighs more than any advice Smerdyakov can give me, all true they may be. And when that advice is radically different from what I believed in, it's pretty much normal that I react negatively. It'll take a while before I openly accept those advices.

Also, he has a rude way of delivering those advice. If some of my teammates in real life where behaving like that, I would have kicked him out. This is a subjective opinion, but I hold on it.

Yeah, what he said

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[ This Message was edited by: dxprog on 2003-03-03 07:41 ]

I still don't see how you can completely dismiss it without even investigating the possibility that what he is saying might have some merit. Sure Smerdyakov can be very odd at times but he does have a point in this case.

Just as a side note, I've been having a lot of fun learning and using SML, so if you want confirmation from a (slightly) more rational person then I highly recommend that you try it.

And Neu[Mann], what do you mean "past experience"? You use C#, so there must be something deeply troubling in your past

I agree he is probably right and I never said I dismissed his ideas. I try never to completly dismiss ideas, even if it's pretty hard sometimes. I'm not just in a big hurry to investigate further. I can give plenty of reasons, more or less valid. And your opinion is welcome. That might someday bring me to try SML.

On your second message: I don't really use C# but I like advocating it as an alternative to C/C++.

Quote:
so if you want confirmation from a (slightly) more rational person


Just don't be overly rational! I find that annoying to discuss with robots that examinate each and every of words of an arguments and take down opinions for the sake of arguing.

You advocate C# as an alternative to C/C++? Yet you knock Smerdyakov for advocating SML as an alternative to C/C++? I'm not talking specifically to you, but to all those who have generally seemed to dismiss anything that doesn't fit into their warm and cozy existance and might require them to stop making tetris clones in VB for a second to actually learn a new and valuable skill.

That's a pretty unfair comparison. I'm ready to advocate C# and give good reasons to use it or not to use it but I will NEVER make somebody feel like an idiot or inferior if that person don't follow my advice.

And I never regarded C# as the only language worth learning.

Learning C seems like a valuable skill seeing that the rest of the commercial world uses it. THERE IS NOT ONE ALL POWERFUL LANGUAGE!!! That's my two cents. [addsig]

Gee, I don't even say anything and I get called irrational!

It's because we love you.

I think this discussion has repeatedly been proven futile, so if anyone wants to continue it, find me on IRC.

``A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is
not worth knowing''
-- Alan Perlis

This is definately something to keep in mind.

Quote:THERE IS NOT ONE ALL POWERFUL LANGUAGE!!!
Yes, there are at least four. Contrary to popular belief, none of them
start with the letter `C', or even `J' for that matter.

Well, I guess we could consider Caml and JoCaml, but I think you catch
my drift.

Have a nice day.





[ This Message was edited by: MooKeen on 2003-03-05 11:33 ]

As I said there is no all powerful language as in singular [addsig]

Yes, and I was agreeing with you.

People, You Confuzing me.