I know that most programmers, or at least a majority, ok maybe only a few, start "programming" in HTML. I did not start with html and I want to learn. Anyone have a quick tutorial?

HTML is no programming language but formatted text. I don't say this to lower HTML - I use it everyday. It's just what it is.

You should be able to learn the main points of HTML within one day. "Real" webdevelopment like PHP/MySQL and stuff will of course take longer. [addsig]

go to the search engine and enter HTML... there should be a tutorial by Peter, about HTML. Some from moondude should be there too, but I don't think that they're the best... anyways, check out peter's tut about HTML. it's very good
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I say HTML is a programming language, and a pretty good one to start learnin on too.

A quick search on Google for like "HTML Tutorial" will find you plenty.

sacah: Heh...please tell me anything of HTML that has any connection to a programming lang (besides the computer). [addsig]

1) you have to stick to a defined syntax
2) interpreting (rendering) it will show something different from what you typed, following logical rules

of course, it's not a programming language as most people are used to... but it certainly is more of a programming language than using the number keys on your tv remote to "program" channels...

Thanks.

I also think that HTML _is_ a proggin language... if that isn't, then Perl and all those other interpreted thingies also aren't proggin languages if you ask me ...
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Heh...then please try to do anything you learn in computer science with HTML...

It does not even have algos...no variables...just description of how the text should look - iin short: formatted text.

A MS Word doc is perhaps code in your opinon...mine differs there... [addsig]

imo too, html is no programming language. i don't know how you (kagez) come to the conclusion that "if html isn't a programming language, then perl isn't either". There is a _substantial_ difference between the two... Not to say they have nothing in common, of course I said in my previous post what i think html has in common with a real programming language, and maybe makes it a good place to start using computers in an advanced way.

its a basic programming language, look at the definition

programming language

A formal language in which computer programs are written. The definition of a particular language consists of both syntax (how the various symbols of the language may be combined) and semantics (the meaning of the language constructs).

HTML has those,

programming language
n.
An artificial language used to write instructions that can be translated into machine language and then executed by a computer.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

HTML is a language thats inturprited into Machine code.

It all depends on what you think the definition of a programming language is, but for me, its code thats inturprited into soemthing else, a word document is not inturprited any different from what you type, but its Macro language is programming.

[ This Message was edited by: sacah on 2002-04-18 19:22 ]

Please look at your definition again, sacah:
1) A formal in which computer programs are written

No computer program is written in HTML. The mere fact that you can't create programs with html shoud be proof enough that it is no programming language (programming is a word related to the word program, you know )

2) [...] translated into computer language...

html is _not_ translated into computer language but interpreted by a browser. Therefor it could 'only' be a script language.

The strongest argument is still that you can't do anything with html...try to code the simplest app with it and you'll of course fail.


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A script language is still a programming language, depends on what you want the application to do, PHP is inturprited by browser, Qbasic was inturprited, HTML is a very basic programming language but its still a programming language, you could look at the definition 2 ways, you can bend words to mean what you want!

Me I say its a programming language, others dont, We have had this argument before, Orig Topic, helpin this guy learn HTML!

Its just as bad as Windows vs Linux

I know i did kinda start this one, but I think we should have like some rules, like no arguing over high topics like it HTML a programming language, and is Windows better then linux, we are chasin our tail on topics that are personal opinion, you are the only one right!
This will get us nowhere, nothing constructive comes from the same argument over and over again.

I know Im a bot a of a hypocrite, but I think this might help us be more constructive.

A Nother Rave from Lead Jester
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it all depends on how you define a program. is a website a program (and the browser the interpreter)? it shows you nice things, tables, etc. you could do that in C, too. HTML is a programming langauge for a VERY special type of program.

It is not [addsig]

html does not offer control-structures which are essential for ANY programming-language.
fabs

post no more

Look in the ypn webdev section there
are lots of tut´s
about HTML

Henning [addsig]

we all realised this was a pointless argument, and became more mature, so we stopped posting.

Lets just say HTML is part of a program, which is your browser. The browsers programming lang. "which ever one it is" decodes the HTML and displays it on the screen. There-fore HTML is not a programming lang.


Solved...

no, not solved because... uh, well, i guess i won't elaborate this time
bottom of the line: html is a programming language, or it isn't, it just depends on your definition of porgramming language.

Or maybe:
If html is a programming language your definition of "programming" is simply wrong [addsig]

Its a personal opinion, needs no justification, there are many words in our culture now that have mixxed meaning, lets just leave it at that, you have your opinion, I have mine, though they may differ, its a topic which is not black or white.

Oh, Im learning to speak correctly, no i did not hack sacahs account. I must learn to spell though.
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To my understanding the ``actual'' definition of a programming language states that data manipulation must take place. HTML doesn't manipulate _ANY_ data. Either it submits it to be manipulated by some other language or something like JavaScript and VBScript do it. Therefore HTML is _not_ classified by definition as a programming language. [addsig]

Your understanding is not the same as mine.
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But its just dido of what I said before.

This is HTML. I wouldn't say it's a programming language but what the heck.

You can get HTML tags where you just copy and paste it, then fill out the blanks to customize them at Funky-Chickens

P.S. They also have tutorials. [addsig]

lol, what the heck is that page?
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Jason, never use the marquee tag! We poor mozilla users can't see it! It's a non-standard Microsoft crap of a thing! [addsig]

But we can see the text thats in the marquee, it just dont move, I say use all the marquees you want, cause it wont annoy me.AntiInternetExplorer
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Ed Note:
Made it still readable for IE users.
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[ This Message was edited by: sacah on 2002-08-11 16:00 ]

yeah, yeah, sacah. The day of your enlightenment will come soon! [addsig]

Im already enlightened, and I see the path to true happiness lies with toasters.

yes. exactly what I meant. [addsig]

hey, I couldn't live without my toaster! I tell you, some day M$ will build toaster, and transmit everything you've got in your kitchen (the data about it at least) to M$, and they will create big archives of your family and sell em to the gov!
Nice idea, isn't it?
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oh, no,the governent knows i have my toast lightly brown.

Man, i see how MS is aimin for world domination
One toaster at a time.
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I'm in luck. I don't eat toast. [addsig]

what? you don't eat toast? how can you live without a toast!
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Existing without eating toast can hardly be called "living"... [addsig]

Then M$ will try to build TVs with the same functions! BWAHAHAH!
Now don't tell me that you don't look TV
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Then MS will have to endure a lot of SpongeBob. [addsig]

what the heck is SpongeBob?
never heard of that stuff, please help me
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You don't know who Spongebob Squarepants is?! He's one of the best cartoons on Nickelodeon! He's a sponge that lives underwater with his best friend Patrick Star (a starfish). Well let's put it this way, he's really funny, he lives in a pineapple next to a house with Squidward Tentacles (Spongebob thinks he's his best friend, but he's his worst enemy). He works at the Krusty Krab as a cook. He's tried a boating school test 38 times, and always failed. Here's a picture of him. (characters: Spongebob, Mr. Krabs [owner of Krusty Krab], Sandy Cheeks (spongebob's friend), Squidward, Patrick)

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OK, I think I'll stick with "Batman of the Future" and "Powerpuff Girls"
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Powerpuff Girls??? What the... [addsig]

Powerpuff Girls, i could not live without them.
My protectors of peace
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I like that "Mojo Jojo"
he's cool
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Powerpuff Girls??? I'm sided with Jason. SB rules!!!!!

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If VB is fun, what's everything else?

[ This Message was edited by: dxprog on 2002-08-16 02:00 ]

What does Spongebob and the PPG have to do with web programming? (lol) [addsig]

Just to let you know, Jason, nothing ever stays off topic on the YPN. [addsig]

I think you meant that it always gets offtopic
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Actually I think he meant nothing ever stays on topic.
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ok, actually I think that he meant blahblahblahblah

useless_posts++;

or in PHP:
$useless_posts++;
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