I'm just a new guy here. So how you all doin'?

Yeah, I'm a programmer. Great site! I'm learning Java 2 now and am starting my first game. I just want to meet some more young programmers! [addsig]

Let me, the resident geezer, be the first to welcome you!

Welcome Jason! Already answered quite many of your posts
A Big Welcome from the YPN Admins Team I hope to see ya around for a while from now! If you're bored, just join us in our IRC channel:
server: irc.openprojects.net
channel: #ypn
so, if you've got time, come around
[addsig]

Giday jason mate, Java rockage stick with it, welcome, sit and drink with us.
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Yeah, a warm welcome from my side, too! Have fun here and feel free to share your knowledge and have a good time! ,) [addsig]

Let me also extend my welcome. Yo, Dude!! [addsig]

dxprog:
lol, somehow you remind me of kunphuzil he also always says "YO!"
[addsig]

Oops! Forgot to login. [addsig]

I think you must be the youngest one on here. [addsig]

I bet I am. [addsig]

I started drinkin when i was 7, stopped when i was 12,
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but still, come have a water with us.

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On 2002-08-10 12:05, sacah wrote:
I started drinkin when i was 7, stopped when i was 12,



Riiiiiiiiiight... huh? [addsig]

scah:
lol, you're a hero!
don't give him bad ideas
[addsig]

I thought it was against_the_law to drink if you're under 21. How can sacah be drinking at the age of 7? [addsig]

sacah isn't here in America, young one. Also our law says you can't buy alcohol until 21 it doesn't say you can't drink it. According to my parents I took a swig of peppermint schnopps when I was three or four. [addsig]

Well, yes I mean sacah said DRINKING_AT_THE_AGE_OF_7. I've only had a little sip of beer when I was about 5 or 6. But how can he be drinking at the age of seven? It just doesn't make sense. Isn't it illegal?! I don't get this! [addsig]

If he's joking, then it makes perfect sense to me. [addsig]

Or if it's not illegal in other countrys to drink under 21, then it also makes sense to me. [addsig]

Over here, in Australia, it legal to drink at any age under the supervision of your perants, after work many ppl will sit down and have a few cold ones, and just talk about stuff, not drink till you got drunk, thats just stupid, thats where i started drinkin, then lost the taste of it when i was about 12, havent drunk since.
Ive never drunk enought that i was drunk, or had a hangover the next day, i dont see the point of drinkin if you go that far.

If you come and drink with us, I will be havin water also.
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Disclamer:
I in no way am encoraging consumsion of alchol in any way, shape or fashion. I take no responsibility for any actions resulted from your drunkin state.

*Sorry, just had to*
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Hi Jason, and welcome. My younger brother is actually somewhat younger than you (he's getting 10 this October) - he's "slash" in the community.

Well, even if it was illegal for sacah to drink, he might have broken the law, right?

sacah: Try drinking Vodka, the hangover is less than half as bad as from beer. [addsig]

Quote:
On 2002-08-11 16:13, sacah wrote:
Over here, in Australia, it legal to drink at any age under the supervision of your perants, after work many ppl will sit down and have a few cold ones, and just talk about stuff, not drink till you got drunk, thats just stupid, thats where i started drinkin, then lost the taste of it when i was about 12, havent drunk since.
Ive never drunk enought that i was drunk, or had a hangover the next day, i dont see the point of drinkin if you go that far.

If you come and drink with us, I will be havin water also.
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Disclamer:
I in no way am encoraging consumsion of alchol in any way, shape or fashion. I take no responsibility for any actions resulted from your drunkin state.

*Sorry, just had to*
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Okay, I'll come have a water, that explains alot.

So is your brother a programmer too? Or does he just come here to talk? [addsig]

Hey, Jason. What languages do you program? [addsig]

I just started Java 2, I know alot of HTML (not exactly a programming language though), and my uncle is sending me a CD with C++ Development Kit, C Delevopment Kit, and it might have a Pascal one too, so I might learn some of those. [addsig]

That's cool. My uncle did the same thing for me. [addsig]

You should always consider using Linux. For learning purpose it is quite the best .You get everything you need for programming there for free. Editors, IDEs, compilers and so on are all included in the distributions. [addsig]

And Windows, of course has no free toolsfor development

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www.textpad.com

[ This Message was edited by: Govtcheez on 2002-08-12 21:29 ]

Thats it Govtcheez, you tell those linuxtrions bout the bueaty of Windows, linux is not the only developtment OS out there, plus if you are lookin to make Windows applications, Linux is not the greatest OS to learn to program on.
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sacah: Very true . However, if you want to write multi-platform, portable applications, Windows is probably not the best OS to code on, either.

If you can't write multi-platform portable apps in Windows, you can't in Linux. That's your fault for not using standard code. No one forces you to use the Win32 API if you're writing in Windows - most people just choose to do that because they expect their programs to only run on Windows machines - they're not concerned about portability. They'll do what they want to reach the audience they want. For example, if I were to write a program here at work, I'd have no problem writing in Win32 - every machine here uses some form of Windows (NT4 or 2K). Plus it's easy to write it pretty (since most of the people that would be using it only want to press a few buttons to get it going) If I wrote something to release on the web, I don't know what OS the person downloading it would use, so I'd make it as standards compliant as possible.

[ This Message was edited by: Govtcheez on 2002-08-13 01:31 ]

well, think what you want. Windows may have some free stuff. Linux is free. You can probably get more and better free applications and development tools for Linux than for Windows.

I learned a lot faster since I switched to Linux. Doubt it if you want, but it's simply my personal experience. [addsig]

How did Linux help you learn faster?

Weird... the board still shows mox as having last post in this thread...

Govtcheez wrote:
Quote:
How did Linux help you learn faster?


Simple-- Linux puts you in an environment where your curiosity is encouraged. Where Windows says "don't touch me", Linux says "hack me!".

Regards,
D. Kuehn

[Edited as to spell 'Government Cheese' even more incorrectly ]

[ This Message was edited by: MooKeen on 2002-08-15 06:22 ]

If you're going to quote me, try to spell my name right, MooKeene.

How does windows say hands off? Just because you can't access it's source code?

hehe, actually cheese is ok
anyways, in windows you don't learn much because (as moxx said) it's like it is saying "Go away and leave me with my configs alone". Linux says "Hack Me!". And, another this is, since liux is 100%ly free, you can build it from scratch, compile _every_ single binary optimized for your CPU, which gives you a even greaters stability, and speed that you could never experience with windows. That's what I felt when I built this gentoo from scratch
[addsig]

Linux helped me, because in order to set things up in Linux, you need to build up a certain understanding of these things. Far mroe than in windows. Many people call that a disadvantage. In my opinion it is not. Also, if you want to know how something works, Linux allows you to crawl through the sources and play around with them as long as you want. You might be allowed to do so with _some_ windows programs, but you can do it with virtually _every_ Linux app. [addsig]

Well, personally, Linux is a bit boring, its open and wantin you to hack it, how boring, everythings documented, and open, explainable, wow, you must be a complex hacker, where as Windows says leave me alone, more of a challenge, to understand it, change it, configure it, master it, you need a lot more understanding, its much more fun too.

hehe, funny attitude... [addsig]

OK - *that* makes sense - thanks MoX.

Yeah. The question was "How did Linux make you learn faster". I replied to that. sacah bashed my arguments with saying "heh, if it makes learning easy, it lollipops"...

Well, do you really expect a serious reply then? [addsig]

Guess I wasn't clear - I was being serious - your longer reply made sense (I wasn't replying to the other one)...

Learn how to take a complement.

Hehe, I get compliments so seldomly, you know?

But thanks, anyway! [addsig]

why do we have these scandiskin linux windows wars all over the message board? if you don't stop it, I'll lock this one too.
[addsig]

Its not so much a Windows vs Linux, its the mind set the most Linux users have vs the rather opened minds of the Windows users.

I think thats what i boils down to.
I dont see why the other one was locked either.
Its about the users, not the OS's
IMHO.

Bah, lighten up. When your a YPNer, you get into the habit of completely destroying a legitimate discussion. This has rolled all the way down the hill, and it's not worth arguing over anymore.

"Why can't we all just get along?"
D. Kuehn

we have argued about this 1000s of times already, so I don't see a reason to do it _once again_ ....
[addsig]