Many people talk about how Assembly lollipops, but then I heard FFX is written with Assembly. Is it true that they wrote this fantastic game with Assembly?

I don'T know, but I'd say that they wrote it partly in asm. Doing such a huge project in pure assembly is near to impossible (and surely not worth the energy you put in it). [addsig]

You will find a lot of current games, have their network code done in ASM, for its pure speed factor, but most games are done in higher level langauges than ASM.

But no ASM does not lollipop.
C/C++ lolipops
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Assembly language is the language spoken by the computer. Speaking to your computer in its "mother tounge" gives you some great advantages over high level languages, such as speed, size and power.

It does not lollipop. Everyone should know assembly, since it gives you an insight about how a computer works.

no its not, but its very close, to machine code that is, binary, 1 & 0's, on & off thats the computers natural tounge.
IMHO
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I could be worng, go on try and prove it

There are no ones and zeroes, just high and low current inside the CPU (or in RAM, or magnetic data on a HD). Assembly language is directly translated ("word by word") to these binary bits, while C and other high-level languages are first converted to assembly and then translated into machine code.

Who cares? Functionally, assembly == machine code.

So, basically, Assembly is machine code? I use C++, and would like to learn Assembly for its speed after I am through learning C++.

no, 1 & 0 inturprits to on and off, no low/high current, transistors just turn on and off, thats how a cpu works, you know the universal symbol for on is 1 and off is 0, the computer dont talk in numerical 0's and 1's Im talkin about it in a symbolic term.

Understand?

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jkcnshs: After you finished C++? It's like saying I'm going to start Spanish when I'm finsihed with english... [addsig]

back on topic: it does!


*runs*hides*

and what is wrong with that? I wouldn't want to try learning the two at the same time...

He means you will be finished learnin C++ when you are 73, and even then, new commands, and ways of doin things will change, so If you want to learn ASM, start it just after you get a basic grasp of C++ then continue with C++ and learn basics of ASM, dependin on what language you like more, will depend on how much time you spend on each, you may think ASM really lollipops, and then the choise is easy, back to C++
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At moment I am learning ~5 dif language.

Oh... Ok i see! yeah that really would be hard to learn all of the details of c++, i'll prolly start on asm soon

I will learn asm after I am through with getting the basics of socket and OpenGL programming in C++. [addsig]

asm really interests me. But I'm not sure if a programmer needs to know it today. Do you know examples of modern program which are (partly) programmed in asm? [addsig]

Wolfenstein 3D!

I know Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri is. It's not _very_ recent though...

i attempted asm 3-4 times, but failed every time. asm isnt my style of doing things. is also hard to maintain IMHO.

*also runs and hides*

Well, that a programming language is hard does not mean that it's not useful...

So, any other examples of "professional" asm usage? [addsig]

hey, asm is not really the easiest, but it's quite cool
I started to program in asm some days ago, and now I can even create a "Holle, World!"
but seriously, it's not as bad as everybody says.
[addsig]

MoX: I believe that most 3d game engines (Q3, HL or whatever) use some amount of asm.

I guess asm is used whenever the program is needed to do some "magic" which is not possible with high-level langs. [addsig]

..or when something needs to be done really fast, or really often, or both...

magic is the word .

Its used in the networking code of pretty much all latest games.

no, none of te 3d-engines I saw used aseembler anywhere. If you don't belive me, go download the sources of Quake3 or RtCW. As far as I've seen it they don't use a single line of assembler.
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sources of quake 3? sure they have been released?
the rtcw sources that were released are just the game code, the stuff that runs on the server, not the engine and networking stuff. it's for making mods mainly (search slashdot for "rtcw sourcecode" for the whole story...

Most of the source released will not contain network asm code,
1. this give a big advantage to the originaly makers, plus this is a very big secret exactly how they do it, just like Search engine Algos, with a lot of games being so similar the speed of the network play could seperate them from the others, Al so notice I said most, you only listed 1 game their Kagez, apart from the one that was game source only.
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huh? I thought _everything_ was released :/
and, I have those things in here, and it looks quite much like then engine... on "Blue's news" (on the DL page) there was also "RtCW Sources" :/
I'll take a look again...
[addsig]

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Only a few games have released their sources, and those few had network code done in the same language when they open source it, but use ASM in commercial version, ASM for networkin code is in Commercial games, Im not talking about what some after work programmers made.