We'll, it's time for a new coder of the month, we sorta forgot that
We chatted about it in the chan a bit, and came to the conclusion that nonama might be a candidate...
Well, you can nominate people now...

maybe I should also put one of my comments of the discussion in here to ask for other ppls opinions
I think that the "Coder of the Month" (CotM from now on) shouldn't be a one-time award for somebody. I think that everybody should have a right to get the CotM multiple times, and not only one time in life.
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KaGez: of course... but we should try not to be repetitive. however we should take the most worthy person. as far as we can recognize him/her correctly .

yeah, I just added that above because you guys yestarday said that all those guys in the HoF already were CotM, so you have to choose another one. That just sounded like a once-in-a-life award.
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Damn, overlooked again ::sniff::

(I should probably actually code if I want to get nominated, huh?)

code something useful, and just be active, and you'll get your reward (afaik)
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Nahhh, that's okay... I got too much stuff goin' on between work and other boards... I'll probably just be that weird old guy that hangs around and bugs you

Govt...
how old are you ?
(since you work already).

I'm 20 - I'll be 21 in July...

"that nonama might be a candidate".

i agree.

everybody : please dont rate yourself. at least not so public

I _strongly_ disagrre that nonama gets it, after the last happeneing... one that can't even work with other ppls code (and also has to scandisk around with it's coders) shouldn't get rewarded for submitting some links .... that's all.
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Well, cool, then - I guess I'm a natural choice for my deep hazel eyes and cute dimples!

cmon guys. i dont want to insult others but.....

i have great experience in web developement and when i see un efficient code my hart says "what a shit is this". So i offer an alternatives. DevCCN was an idea how to make:
1.efficient code.
2.more web page developers
3.a bit of money to pay for hosting
Thats all.

Also i offered ai project for ypn to get a group job. but as i see there is no spirit to work together.

I have an idea to make an ypn irc bot. for just data exchange with with ppl in irc. It will go after i'll do devCCn stuff. and try to offer it to you again








aurimas

Well, if nonama would be chosen to be the Coder of the Month, it wouldn't be for the links in the first place, but his engagement in the YPN AI project (which seems to have cooled down since.. maybe because of lack of interest as nonama said, or maybe lack of organization, whatever).

nonama why do you rush in to be the coder of the month ? (without some real code)

now another thing.
maybe some of you remember that yesterday i said that nonama is not suitable to be the admin of the AI section. i havent't give any explanation for that so here it is:
The thing is that when you're an admin of a section you're biggest job is to interest as much people as you can to be in the section. and you do that by providing those people with info links code... ok nonama, you did provided a lot of links etc. but after the discussion that i had with you yesterday, i've came to one conclusion :
Not Suitable.
Because (as a biggest AI fun i know yet) its not hard for me to explain to other people the ideas of AI, but yesterday i had to explain some of AI BASICS to you, and you were acting just like the people that think that ai will never be made (you even started telling me how you cant do ai on a computer because the comupter computes, even though i tryed to explain you that everything is a form of computing and that one form can simulate the other form [read a bit more bout axioms] ).
So cause of that i can freely say that if you get to be the admin of AI section, then poor AI section it's gonna be, since AI is not just programming, AI requiers a lot of knowledge from all areas, AI requiers some hard to explain ideas, AI requirs love.
And all i've seen that you have is just a will to be the leader or in some way above the others.
and thats not how things work.
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Wow, strong words...

--> And all i've seen that you have is just a will to be the leader or in some way above the others.

I do! And that's why I, Govtcheez, formally nominate myself for Coder of the Month!

ok, so let's post what happened:

fabs, nonama, peter and I were chatting in the chan, and then nonama said that he wanted to make a search engine for the YPN, with his 1337 "experiences", his "major amout of PHP knowledge" and such stuff. Anyways, when he looked at the sasq2 source code, he began to get a complete asshole. He started to talk about that sasq2 is inefficient, that it is slow and blah. Then he just left and that conversation was over.
The next day he came again (when fabs and I weren't there), and tried to sell some lame PHP engine to peter, which peter ofcourse denied.

So, I think this is _hell_ lame, and that's why I _strongly_ disagree that nonama get's anything.
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little corretion: he talked to peter and me about developing some php engine that we would sell...

or something like that anyway, he wasnt very clear )

ok, it was just something involved with money, which we absolutely _don't_ need in the YPN
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The CotM gets paid? Man, sign me up!

I see that you start to hate my.

1. ypn doesnt need money. oh realy. what about those bandwitch and hosting probs, and cries that you must pay much so you dont do that and that. that is one thing. second, i have never wanted to sell it to any of ypn guys. NEVER. so the selling part is for you to get easier with money probs.

2. sasq2 inefeciency. some of codes are efficient, some are not. some are writen to be undersatndable some are not. i dont say that my codes are clear. they aint. but they are writen to do job and be viewed by me. ok. lets take sasq. does only one person do it? i gues not. you have few coders. good. but what about 'standarts'. like if one codes something in his way and other in his. at the end there will be piece of ... it didnt happen to sasq yet. but if you allow more ppl to work with it, that will happen. i know this from experience which is sad btw.

about devccn:
"kagez: and tried to sell some lame"
first of all you can not say lame, cuz yuo know almos nothing about it. second its kind of good thingie. as much it is done.


Ai section. if i said you(webmasters) are, you would probably kick me out of ypn. but that is. ibydi noticed that to.

"ibydi: to explain some of AI BASICS"
well, i would say that it was because of our misunderstanding, when you said "making alive creature". and i wrote few lines that proved "it is imposible". but when you corrected your self by saying "simple rules that makes another ones"(or something alike) it was clear for me.

"ibydi: all you have is just a will to be the leader or in some way above the others"
actualy that is not true. dont sit there. do something. i had my ideas i told them. i said them to others, some of you corrected my and gave new ideas, some of you just listened, some of you like ibydi just spoke in fragiologizms(dunno that word in eng) that were tricky.




Ai is possible. and webmasters, port those links from http://www.aurimas.f2s.com/ai/links.php to ypn site. ok? there are good material.



[ This Message was edited by: nonama on 2002-02-06 15:30 ]

ok, imho we discussed this devccn thing enough now.
Stop bashing nonama for it, it's over.
Please.

svara: I have never officially bashed nonama for that devcnn thing eventhough I should have because it is simply against our philosophie and he knows that. Buying source-code rather than sharing it, yuck.
I am quite unhappy about the fact that nonama keeps on critizing sasquatch for no good reasons.
Sasquatch-code is simple, clear and general, the way it should be. I will not be ashamed of the sasquatch-code, just because I like putting curlies on extra-lines.
The second thing nonama critizises it simply that we don't use any server-caches and that data is dynamically generated on each page-load. That's perfectly fine, too. PHP runs very fast on the server and the only thing which may really be a problem to peformance is the html that is generated since that is sent across the internet. Our html is clean and so there is absolutely no reason to critizise sasquatch peformance.
Another question: Has anybody had problems with sasquatch-peformance? Is it too slow for you guys? - I don't think so.

Nonama: stop the bitching, alright? You're not exactly making life a lot easier for us.
Instead of appreciating new code we write, you just bitch around about what is still missing. I don't think that's fair at all.

fabs

fabs: are yuo playing dumb or what? "Buying source-code rather than sharing it, yuck." noone sels it, no one buys it.

and have i criticized that chaching thingie? i just say that when where are few programes things go kind of slowly. but thats ok i think. as its not very slow. but if you get more programers for sasq you will fuck-up.

fabs desnt seem to understand me.

fabs - i didn't mean you in particular... this argument is just really stupid.
nonama should stop bitching about sasquatch performance, too. it is completely useless and unconstructive to argue about it

--> nonama should stop bitching about sasquatch performance, too. it is completely useless and unconstructive to argue about it

I don't think that's necessarily true - complaining about the problems are the only way they get solved...

sure, as long as it is "constructive criticism"...

OK, svara - you're right... I'm never in IRC with you guys, so I guess I don't know exactly what happened, but if sasq's code really is inefficient, I think it could take some looking at...

First of all, nomana wanted to give this thing for us basically for free (1c to be correct) and give each developer some money for each item of their work sold (like a module in DevCCN). He said he was going to sell the engine for something like $200/site and in addition, $100/module.

We said no, as we're quite satisfied with our system, and want to develop that instead.

Now it seems nonama has changed a lot of details about DevCCN; he says it's going to be released under the GNU GPL and apparently, he wants to do it alone. But we still don't need it.

Nonama: your arguments make no impact. You want to make us believe that we can't succeed with Sasquatch if we have more people working on it. Why?, I ask. Sasquatch is going to support easy module insertion and if somebody ever has to look at another person's code, he/she will probably understand it.

If we'd abandon the idea and spirit of teamwork then YPN would most certainly be going down as a community.

Yes, if someone tells us his/her views on the community, that could help us make it better, but it's not much help if someone says "let's thrash everything you've done, I'll do something that's a lot better and then you can get it from me".

Nonama: nobody hates you (I don't at least). This offer is nothing for this community, but thank you for it anyway.

However, I don't see why Nonama couldn't be CotM (not implying he'd be the best candidate). And admins/team members would be tested anyway. An interest in teamwork is necessary, I don't know whether Nonama has it or not. But the sole fact, that his ideas oppose ours when it comes to Sasquatch, should not mean he's incapable.

peace out everyone

i wrote stupidity here.
so i erased it.


[ This Message was edited by: IbYdI on 2002-02-07 06:34 ]

svara: reason for nonama to be not the CotM? I've _never_ seen _any_ code of nonama, at leats not on the YPN. Only links. Afaik the YPN is a programmer community, and not a "Young Link Submitting Community". And, "_Coder_ of the Month" is releted to coding imho. And one that hasn't written even one code (at least none on the YPN) can't get the "_Coder_ of the Month".
Or is there a leap of logic in that?
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Yes, KaGez, but he had started the AI project with quite a big enthusiasm and really had an upswing of interest for some time. That's why I could consider him.

Imho, there are no outstanding candidates as far as I see. February, it seems, will be better in this aspect .

heh... so if I'd start a game progging thing on the YPN and got 3 or 4 interests, will I get CotM too? or some graphics stuff or just something that isn't on the YPN...
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it was very nice of pete to say nice words about me. All i heard is lame, asshole and so on.

anyway, dont tell me that there was never a setiuation when you needed to find something i didnt. so i submit links that are good. and i dont submit my old codes because thay are lame. why should i submit it? if i program anything for other, i will submit it, like devccn(i would apreaciate help from others btw, and i hope to findish it)

'bout ai. ibydi has great ideas. we should get them from him.

need some codes?

SiBo - perl
DevCCN parts - php
0x20 comp - asm

i wanna be CotM[March]

Not as long as I have got my veto


Note:
(I have no veto )

[ This Message was edited by: robost86 on 2002-03-12 16:42 ]

My suggestion to coder of the month is wossname, btw.

Is there still a "Coder of the month"-title???
Well, cool that. Place him on the first page again, please! [addsig]

I nominate me!

i think gotv is good CotM. he did such good logo x)

also woss is awsome coder

i think gotv is good CotM. he did such good logo x)

also woss is awsome coder

btw who is CotM[january], CotM[february]?

They prolly do not exist

The CotM should return to the ypn! [addsig]

hm... I think he/she/it won't exist anymore, unless peter puts him/her/it on the front page... ok, I could do that too, but I bet that svara will scandisk around again then.... you know, he needs to know about "inportant" decisions
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Of course not, he loves when you alone, or maybe you and someone do any important change without asking or even telling anyone else, KaGez.

We need to make some kind of a descision base for the CotM, some basic requirement, or this won't work.

you know, I really don't get the meaning of the irc chan (not #ypn, I mean #ypn-dev), when nobody is there anyways... That chan is for making decisions and such, or not? Or is it just for things involved with sasq2?
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there isn't much to talk about most of the time, and 90% idle chans are sorta pointless.

#ypn-dev was used when there were more important things to be discussed, in realtime. email is fine for everything else.

yes i would have to agree, the powers to be of YPN need to organise how to judge who becomes CotM, and dont start a thread like this one again
(-:

I thought thats what the point system was for??

Have fun
Rem no mater who u choose someones not going to like it

If it were like that, I would be the permenent CoTM That's...not good.

ok, I have a idea to solve this problem:

We make a little poll on the front page every month, and ask who ppls think should be the CotM. On the front page there should only be a link to the voting page, where all members with more than 1 submission are listed. Then you can just click on a member's name who you'd like to see as CotM. That's easy, isn't it? And we don't need to argue about organisation problems anymore! Anyways, I _could_ volunteer to code it, _but_ it will take some time, because i'm also working on a re-make of my whole PHP-engine too, which has a higher priority atm, because else I won't have a usable web-page for my project @ SF.
Anyways, if somebody'd like to help me with this (that is, if everybody agrees with this solution), I'd appreciate it very much
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There's a major flaw... someone could sign up multiple times and just vote for themselves.

ahhh, peoples like you?
anyways, then give me a better solution...
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I think people get suspicious if 10 inactive users suddenly votes for some strange guy.

Yes, In this community, I dont think its possible for ppl to sign up for more than 1 acccount and make a huge difference for Coder of the month, plus why would you want to win something like Coder of the month by cheatin@!

No no no, I think you got the wrong impression. I would not do that, I mean what is in it for me? I could not care less whether or not I am the Coder of the Month. Geeez, accusers!

I was just kiddin :/
anyways, if you guys have a better idea, make it open to all, and not keep it for you!
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bloody googleopers, you have censored cheating too!!!

I want to see a list of all censored words!

I think a poll system is the best, I love polls, plus this will help our polls on front page change more oftern!

uh, cheating is not censored, no..

yes nonama it´s
a good idea.

Henning [addsig]

Ok, well I don't have any ideas, just constructive criticism, sorry.

Ok, why did cheatin in my last post be turned into cheatin@!

Oh, I figured it out, thinks its a Email address.

hahaaa... stupid board!
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um, so whats happenin with CoTM?

The last CoTM I've seen was the one for August or maybe September Anyway, a long time ago... [addsig]

Ever since I have been here, January, I haven't heard of one COTM. What is the deal with that? It should be every month or else call it COTY.

hehe...you simply could never have heard of one of these lucky guys. The CoTM used to appear right on the front page of YPN. But as I said, the last one was long ago. [addsig]

maybe we could have a cotm this time if you had some ideas about who could take take glamurous position

btw: We should have a CoTY, too =) [addsig]

COTM: me

(Coder of the Millenium, of course)

I think we should really make a poll with all active usernames (who do some posts a week) and let the members choose. I think this is a fair deal
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How about this:

Let's add a feature that you can nominate any ypn member for the cotm voting and give reason why somebody should be coder of the month.

Like coder_a should be cotm because of his great progs and his willingness to help newbies.

Of course we could do a voting where you can choose any member directly and simply discuss the reasons on the mb. [addsig]

I think that the CotM award should exist, but also with other, more specific awards for specific things... I can't think of any right now, but I'm sure some other people can.

-Moo
I should get the Laziest YPNer award

ill just sugest CoTS...
coder of the season...
four seasons a year...

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