I've been researching various BASIC derivitaves for the past few days.. here's what i've come up with:

PureBasic (High level with API calls)
BlitzBasic (Game-oriented)
PowerBasic
LibertyBASIC (Beginner level)
The classic QBASIC (4.5 and 7.1, notably)
GamesBasic (Alpha version indy software)
DarkBasic (3D oriented)

These are the supposed improvements over the original BASIC- new keywords, etc. There are about a billion simpler compilers, as well; too many to list. The ones on the list above are generally all IDEs. I'm not sure how many of you here care about this, but it is sort of interesting.

What i'm interested in getting is a full "registered" copy of PureBasic. The demo looks very nice, and has some extremely powerful example programs such as an about 50-line web and ftp server. Anyone have it or know where it may lie on the web?

As a final note, I do have QBASIC 4.5 and 7.1 if you guys would like to have them posted somewhere here for the use of all YPN members, as they are (to me) the true classic BASIC(+) IDEs.

Whew.

-Cubbs

cool =) Well, the problem with basic is often that the compilers are NOT free. We wanted to host Qb 4.5, too but we want to make sure it's not illegal to do so.
About the compilers you listed, which ones are free, which ones arent? (Free just like free beer )
fabs

Errr.. well, I consider QBASIC 4.5/7.1 to be free, considering Microsoft has completely dropped support and no longer sells the product (as they have not for some years now, and if they did, who would buy it? heh)

GamesBasic is free and open source (but abandoned at the moment and still alpha)

The rest are all either shareware or registerware.

Heck, I even have the DOS version of Visual Basic 1. Whoo. Uh, yes, i'd consider that freeware as well

eeerrr ... wrong sec ?? Anyways , what can you do with BASIC ?? No , I'm asking serious !
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I guess The Microsoft Basic stuff is still not-free like beer, as there is still a comppany out there selling it...

i saw that somewhere once...

You could simply go and search it on some warez site ... it's illegal though ...
But , I dun think that BASIC will ever get free ... not as long as MS owns it ...
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Wrong section because no one ever bloody reads the other section.

Nah, QBASIC isn't being sold. At all. By anyone. To my knowledge. Microsoft is just a tyrant who keeps a very old piece of software that they no longer distribute out of the freeware scene. I've got both 4.5/7.1, no need to search for warez. I'm just saying I really doubt it'd be a big deal to post them on this page, unless you are all microsoft employees. *shrug*

What can you do with basic? Well, with some of the newer IDEs+Compilers, apparently a lot. Windows API calls, inline ASM and a bunch more.

I'd NEVER ( not for my life !!) get a M$ emplayee , so cool down
But it really pisses me off ,that M$ doesn't give the software free that nobody uses these days ... for e.g. why don't they give out the sources for Win3.0 ?? Anyways , m$ sux for me
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I agree completely.
So why not screw microsoft and put 'em up? I _seriously_ doubt that anyone would care, including micro$haft.

Since nobody'd buy it anymore , I think a NORMAL corp wouldn't care , but its M$ , ok ? You can't get shit out of it .... Then the'll get you to buy the license for it
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I'm not worried about it dude. I don't think anyone will care. This place isn't exactly mainstream anyway. But whatever.

But they'll take more money for it than you could earn in your whole life
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And I did see a place somewhere where you could 'legally buy' the olde QBasics.

Man, what a bunch of squares.

Who buys QB?

Professional developers?

That's not really the point, being squares or not. We should keep this page PERFECTLY and when I say perfectly, I mean perfectly legal.
Why should we even take the risk of uploading qb, I mean, it really is very easy to get. Somebody just follow one link in our links-section, for example qbt50.com or anything like that, click on one of the many qb-pages and download the scandiskin program!
fabs

Yeah , I think that we shouldn't upload illegal things on this page . You can get Qbasic everywhere (almost ) So , let's keep this site clean , also for fabs , not to ruin his page he built up in the past years .
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"huestel huestel"

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You can download qbasic 1.1 direct from microsoft. I don't remember the url, I will look for it....

eh, strange, a post by me that says nothing...

Well, QBasic 1.1 lollipops, it doesn't even have a compiler and cannot use libs.

YOu need 4.5 or 7.1 for that... (I dunno about other version like 3, 5, 6, but 4.5 and 7.1 is what you usually get on qbasic sites).

Well, this place is a lot less cool than I thought.

what place.. this place? ypn?

well, it really isn't about 'coolness', we do NOT want to have anything dubious on this site, and i hope you understand it, it's an 'official' site, and we don't want angry emails form anyone.

We really don't need to host qb, every qb programmer has it anyway. It's not only problematic from the license point of vuew, but it also is very unoriginal, and unnecessary.

I admit some of the stuff we link to is not very special, but for the links at least, we have nice explanations, lol (i wrote them )

Cubbs: Just because we don't wanna put a link to some warez-site offering qb, you're saying the place isn't as cool as you thought? You gotta admit, that's a very stupid thing to say.
fabs

well, i think saying that is very stupid, too.

But hosting QB is not THAT bad, it really isn't warez. A lot of site I used to go to had qb, and these definitely weren't warez sites.

I guess QB is "abandonware".
Software that isn't sold anymore, but still is copyrighted.

There are a lot of Abandonware game sites, and all of them havea statement like "Abandonware IS illegal. We do, however, believe that we are not doing any wrong and not huirting any company. If you know that a game on this site is still sold in some bundle, or as a special edition, please tell us and we will remove it."

I don't think abandonware is bad, and they don't need any Pr0n sponsors, either, i've spent some time surfing abandonware sites, and i must say they have a lot of cool games, that are very much fun.

I found Pirates! thrugh abandonware, which really is a great game. (It's from Sid Meier like Civilization).

But we are a programming community/resource and not an abndonware site, and we keep this site clean of anything dubious. If you WANT qb, then you can get it VERY easily, without our help.

yeah... besides, why is it such a big deal, not offering qb??? if someone is desperately looking for it here, I don't find that person sooo cool either. I mean, we are no download center but a community! Yeah, our links aren't really complete yet but we want to link cool software instead. and if you can't find qb on your own, well, you can surely do with a free basic compiler...

Fabs: That is not what I said. Please do not misconstrue my words, as you so badly did.

Others:
No, it's not important to have QB hosted.
No, i'm not begging for it to be posted so I can have a copy. I've got it. As you said, it's available.

All i'm saying at heart is that COMMUNITIES have COMMUNITY RESOURCES. Yes, it's true. And making a community isn't hard.. but making a GOOD community is. Having resources available for said community is definetly part of having a good community, and you must understand.. a good community isn't held up by one person or one person's opinions or directives.

Now don't make me look bad there, that#s really enough. I didn't twist anything and you again said so in your last post that you think the community is not as good as you thought because we don't host qb. All you do now is say it in a more general way BUT we do have community resources, they are however either GPL or freeware. Some shareware software is also hosted but we're not gonna put qb up.
fabs

and to make this clear, you're the one who forced this more aggressive way of talking. You said "Man, what a bunch of squares". So you were asking for it.
fabs

You really don't get the point, Fabs.
And it's not worth explaining.
Later.

oh, lol, I'd rather say you really can't express your point. Don't try playing dumb with me, alright. You have not mentioned a single reason for saying "This place really is less cool than I thought".
And now you're acting as if I didn't understand what you said, very cool of you, I must say. (in case you don't know, that was irony...)
fabs

cubby:
If you want to have you scandiskin warez , go get them somewhere but not here !! If you search for Warez-sites you'll find em like sand on the beach .
An , btw , I also didn't understand what is so "uncool" about this site , or community . Maybe you can give some reasons for say'in such shit (sorry ...) or just don't say it . I don't think that fabs should host Warez . (also no abadonware ) It's fabs' site , and he should think what he hosts and what not . we can make requests to him , but I think not that way you did .

I know this was a bit rude , but that scandisk really pissed me off ....
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he he he I think this discussion is getting... out of hand. [addsig]

When in the scandisk did I ever say anything about frigging scandisk? You dudes are wacked.

Read the preceeding posts before you reply. Then maybe you'll have an idea that i never mentioned warez at all. Christ.

m, I think we don't even know what we're fighting about anymore and I think we're all getting pissed off here, so let's just end this post.
fabs

Yes let's end this, we have enough of fighting here.

I just want to say: every non-legal copy of a program, like QB, is warez.

I disagree.

so , cubbis , then argue alone in this post
I'll stop too ... this has not worth to argue about ...
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