Some of you might know about Teen Programmers Unite. It's been around for more than 6 years, and has a very high search visibility, including being on the first page of Google results for a search on "programmers." =)

Most everyone feels that TPU hasn't been living up to its full potential lately, and I gather that there are those here who feel the same about YPN, so I'd like to suggest combining efforts on a single organization. Ideally, we could combine everything under a non-age-centered mantle.

I know that both sides have their web site engines made from scratch that they wouldn't want to lose, but, really, I think the people behind both TPU and YPN agree that the issue is community, and a web site is a secondary concern only if it helps enhance the community. I don't see any real difference between the goals, and even the methods preferred to obtain those goals, of YPN and TPU, so it seems like it would be natural and beneficial to join forces.

So, how about it? Any ideas about the feasibility and specifics of this?

Sounds like a great idea

[ This Message was edited by: sg on 2002-09-10 01:53 ]

Yes, why not combine them? Seems like a good idea to me, anyway. Then again, what I think doesn't really matter.

D. Kuehn

Well, as I don't know tpu very well I would not bash them as hard as sg does.

What about the tpu? Is there some interest of joining the communities? [addsig]

I dont see anything wrong with combinin them, but the non age thing gets me, this is and always will be aimed at Young ppl, a few of us are goin to help abhi set up http://www.progsnet.org as a place where YPNers can go when we retire from YPN
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So, If you want young, YPN is the place, older, http://www.progsnet.org is where you might want to join.

I reckon join YPN is a good idea though. Young

hello, let me introduce myself:
I've joined the YPN about 2 years ago (or 1 1/2, dun remember, sorry ), and right now I'm one of the core administrators of the YPN, and since fabs (founder of this whole thing) isn't there lately (what happened to him anyways? :/) I think I can call my self the organizer of this community. (the other OPs aren't too active )I'm 19 years old, male and live in japan.

ok, so far about myself.
Joining forces? it doesn't sound bad. OK, lemme tell you some "insider" stuff about the YPN. At the moment the YPN is starting to get a whole network, not only consisting of the YPN anymore. We will soon (probably) have another 2 member sites, the YSN - young sparkies network - and the YDN - young designers network. These 2 new pages, as well as the YPN will use the new PHP engine, which is currently being developed. it is called "Partyfish", and is in our projects section. We will release a beta _very_ soon, and we hopefully finish it within this month.
The YPN's goal is to spread OpenSource and GNU widely, Therefore all project in the projects section, submited code etc. has to be released under a free license, which allowas other people to reuse that code. That is what we think is the best method to learn from others.
A unity of forces would be great, but, the YPN will not drop this philosophy under any circumstances. We are hosed, funded and powered by the FSF, so we return something to them.
Anyways, I would still love to join forces with you. I will pop up in your ICR chan if I have time. If you're looking for me on IRC, I'm always in #ypn on irc.freenode.org
I think we shouldn't hurry. We should slowly get known to each other, talk about the possibilities etc. But, I think that this is a great idea
[addsig]

where is fabs by the way ?? and why is he never around ??

For those of you are totally confused, sg's first post was originally something to the effect of: ``No! I do not want to join forces with you, and I'm sure the admins and everybody else would feel the same!''. The only reason I brought it up is because people made references to that original post.

To sg: It would probobly have been a better idea to say that you changed you mind, rather than deleting the original text and causing mass confusion

Thanks,
D. Kuehn

Looks like the only one who's totally confused is sg himself...Whatever I'd say there is not reason for not saying what you think, so if you don't like the idea of joining the communities then just say it. [addsig]

Yes, I must agree, speak your mind, and stick with it, or if you change your mind say so, dont hide the fact your opinions were once different, as I am usually the one with the different opinion, just go with it, there not like a right or wrong answer.
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nobody will flame you for your opinion, unless it's something like "XXXXX is the best thing on earth, and everything else sux!!!"
[addsig]

was that a subtle hint, there were 5 X's and there are 5 leters in linux
d-:

or mabye you meant win98/xp/2k/nt/95 as well
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sorry, just had too

looks like you extremely like it to make down other people's opinion, do you?
[addsig]

linux is the best OS on the world and everything else sux.

Sorry, just had too [addsig]

::walks in::

::sees MoX's post::

::starts to say something::

::walks out::

hey govt, read the posts above and see that I'm not at least serious... [addsig]

Weird thing that I never found the TPU - I remember searching very hard for a website aimed at young programmers, and all I could find back then was YPR (and as they say, the rest is history ).

Gatherning everyone in one community is of course a very nice idea - but it has practical drawbacks. At the moment, I don't know how it could be done. I'll need to get to know you TPU guys better first. Second, we must discuss our aims and ways to go about (the aim isn't the only important thing, by the way).

So let's take it easy, and make friends at least .

Yeah, MoX, I know - that's why I didn't actually say anything

Hellooo

Let's all hangout on #tpu and #ypn for a while and we will find a solution to this problem sooner or later!

See ya all on #tpu sometimes!

yeah, I guess getting to know each other slowly is probably the only way to start a lasting friendship. [addsig]

Hi. I really do support this. Not a total integration but that we somehom get to pull resources together ...

Well from what I read in this thread, the 2 groups should run together quite well. The attention to the topic at hand is pretty far off (as are many topics on TPU) and the people here are nice enough....

well, we all thought so in the beginnine (that we can run well together). But after discussing stuff for a while, we saw that there are indeed very different opinions about things, and also very different interests. But, I think it's worth it
[addsig]

That reminds, me ... where is fabs? KaGez: any ideas?

Really! I haven't seen him post in forever. [addsig]

He was in #YPN recently voicing some opinions that no one agrees with.

--> He was in #YPN recently voicing some opinions that no one agrees with.

Wow, I thought I was the only person here that was allowed contrary opinions.

Heh, be thankful I didn't join about two years ago. I would agree on anything. That was in the days when I thought Intel should monopolize the chip market, Linux should go crawl under a smelly old rock and stay there, and I idolized Bill Gates. [addsig]

The art of logging in before I post has eluded me again, not that any of you didnt already know who posted that.
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What's wrong with that? I wouldn't have seen that coming from the mouth, not really , of a Linux user and someone who said that new Intel chips are no faster than the originals Pentiums. [addsig]

Hehe, I've hardly seen Smerdyakov voicing an opinion which I could agree to

The issue was that he represented his opinions that no one agrees with as being those of YPN as a whole, i.e., that a free software angle is a critical part of YPN. The web site doesn't make this clear at all, so even if it "is" the main thing about YPN, probably most people who join have no idea that that's what they've signed up for.

I am no linux users, I love Windows, and I have no problem with a company like Intel formin a monopoly, I know that each new intel chip is faster that the previous, in most fields, Personally I like AMD better, but Im not against monoplies.
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sunosewa:
I don't know where fabs is or what he's doing at all, and to be honest, by now I really give a shit about it.
sorry, but I do.
[addsig]

Well, I don't know, but the "About YPN" section of the site definitely says what we are and that we like OpenSource.

Sorry, but we can't help people who join a community without reading the "About" part. [addsig]

that's the first thing what I do if I come to a new page I've never seen before.... look for the "About" page and read what it is all about :/
[addsig]