This meeting should be regarding the partyfish release (final). We should start discussing and thinking about what we put into the site after we've done partyfish. I will make up a small menu if that is OK for you all, you can ofcourse make your own menu too and discuss stuff there.
I though next saturday would be a great day. Time is still discussable.
please everybody post the timepsan you've got time in here (GTM time please).
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I am not totally sure, but I'd prefer it to be before noon or early afternoon (that is, around 09.00GMT-12.00GMT. I can adjust to other wishes too..

Whenever.

well, sat, anytime that suits kagez will suit me too, as our time zones are so similar, I generally dont have a rl to interfere with things, so all should be sweet.
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ok, bet for me would be something like between 13 and 17GMT, since saturday is my GF day, and I'm not gonna throw that one
maybe we could agree on 15GMT?
Just a idea.
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hm.. thing is that it would have been my girl day too . however I'm not sure about times yet so I'll just shut up until I know more..

ok, then for now I'll stick to 15GMT
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if you find Smerdyakov kicked and ban, I take full responsibility.

Hes about the only person i have ever meet that i disliked, thats shocking, he must be extremly talented.

What I think really bugs me, is Hes exactly like I was a few years back, hopefully he will grow out of it.
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SML seems to be the only thing he knows so he pushes everyone to that, talk about programmin problems in any language, all he says is about SML, he stuck up trin to act smart, but only know SML, poor guy.even bacth would be l33ter

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ok, I think we all don't really like him, but I think I would still love to hang out with all those other TPU guys, since most of them are quite cool
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Have I missed the admin meeting?

Alas, my system got down unable to boot again. Had to reinstall and I'm still on it.

btw, I don't like smerdy neither! [addsig]

saturday = 5th Oct.
if I didn't mention it before, sorry
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correct me if im wrong, but 1500GMT will be 1am here?
Im at +10GMT.

Am I workin this out wrong?
I prob wont be able to make it at 1am, and if I do, I wont make much sense, since ive been sick, Ive been gettin tired easier, and need sleep, so it looks like insomnia is completly gone, so i got 6.5 years of missed sleep to catch up on, I wont be up at 1am
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Thanks

yeah, 15GMT will be something like 1am in aus. It's 11pm in japan...
I can't promise that I'll be there from the beginning, but we could also move it to 14GMT. I can't get to IRC (at least actively) earlier than that. Maybe 15mins, _maybe_.
That's my last bet.
If this doesn't work, Sunday may be ok too. I'm free all sunday.
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No, 15GMT is fine, I prob wont be there, but Im not much of an admin anyway.
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I can just find out if anything important happened.

sacah:
ok, I'll send you a log.

so, everybody else OK with 15GMT @ sat. 5th Oct?
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alas, I'm flying to NY on the 5th, very early in the morning, so I won't be there

But don't forget to let me know what you decided! [addsig]

I _think_ I am on.

ok, and in the end I'm sitting there alone?

Mox:
If there will be any meeting, I'll send you the log too
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Was there any meeting? I (obviously) missed it

I was on a course.

[ This Message was edited by: Peter on 2002-10-15 18:02 ]

there was no real meeting.
only some talk, and here's the result:

1) Think about a reasonable list of Forums for the new msg board (stupid entries will be eliminated)
2) devusb is a admin too now. He's been mainly "hired" to keep a eye on the site for now. He'll have a better and easier job when partyfish is done tho he's still in learning phase, and still doesn't do much. But we'll get that straight
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sacah: I hope I made myself clear enough now
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What are you clear about?
I must be very confused, I have no idea what you are talking about.
Please Explain

"stupid entries will be eliminated"
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why was that stupid, all i have seen sice ive been at YPN is ppl arguing over new boards to be added, and you, kagez, mainly disagreeing, what i proposed was a very general topic ideas, then ppl could post under that, no additional boards would need to be created due to new languages being developts, as all will come under those 4 topics, its far better an idea than anyone else at YPN has had, and it will stop arguments about new boards being made. It would make it be more active too, instead of having 30 programmin boards that noone posts in.

Personally I normally agree with what you say and do, but this has been one of your stupid moments, I disagree greatly with it.

ok, lemme explin this, everything has it's reasons:
in order to make the YPN a place where you can find informations about certain topics isn't easy, you all know that (I hope at least ). You need to structure data as good/much as possible, but still keep it easily overlookable, so yo can easily/efficiently find stuff without searching it for hours. That's one aim of partyfish, so it should be the aim of the forums too. The structure currently isn't bad, but still lets wishes open. For example forums for widely used languages don't exists (PHP?), or forums for almost useless languages (mostly not used anymore for real programming) like BASIC/VB exist. In order to create a new forum, we should also be sure to have the audience for it, except if it's a newly introduced language, like C# is. For new languages we should create test forums, which should help the users looking into the new languages. After a certain test period, the users should be asked if this forum is really needed, or we should judge if the use of this forum is enough to keep it. The YPN really means much to me, so I don't wanna do stuff like creating forums, just because it is requested by somebody. It's like on SF: You should give a description of why this forum could be useful and other stuff to convince us.

So, I'm not just simply fighting against new forums. I'm trying to make the YPN a better place, even if it doesn't look so atm. The YPN takes almost all my time of my life (except for school), which should mean that it is _very_ important to me, since it's the place which also helped me to "grow up". I hope you now understand why I react like this on forum requests or other stuff.
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That didnt answer why you deleted my idea, if it was about the non organised state it would be in, we have a search feature.

Im happy to have seperate boards, and to just say no, and delete anyones post who wants other was, but most ppl here dont, hence my idea was there, noone argues with that.

ok, if you think it's sooooooo useful, post it again, and I'll leave it alone.
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Hm, why devusb? Just curious

We shouldn't delete posts simply because they seem useless for us.. at least, not right away as they are posted. there's not use.

Windows Programming
Linux Programming
OS Independant Programming
Web Based

If you dont like this state why and we will work towards making something that works.

which forum would you choose if you have a general C/C++ question?
I think we should still leave major forums like C/C++. I'll work out a list in the next few days.
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It would be quite inefficitent to have all languages in the same forum, imo.. separate forums is better, at least for major languages.

that sounds good... so let's remove the Linux/Windows forums, and create "Windows Programing", "UNI* Programing" and "OS help". I think the names are quite easy to understand.... however, my list is still to come
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Well, in the Linux forum's case, we shouldn't restrict it to programming imo. Setting up GNU/Linux is still not always a simple task such as an average computer user should be able to handle (as is the case with Windows).

Although.. well, there are a lot of general support forums out there.

that doesn't mean that we should leave our members out in the dark when they have Qs about their OSs
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If you have major languages havin their own forum, who decides its a major language, VB is just as much a major language as C/C++ isweb develers would say Java is a pretty major language, we will still get arguments over new boards, ask a general c question if not specific to Win or Linux would go in OS independatn programming.

Havin an OS help forum like kagez suggested would be for general OS settin up questions.
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ok, we could have some forums for languages widely used (most languages already drop out here, since not many people use them). My suggestions would be C/C++, APIs/Gamedev, ASM, BASIC etc., Perl/Bash etc., PHP, WebDevel, WebDesign (warning: PHP isn't web only), OS Help (probably 2: Win, UNIX), Projects forum, general YPN, and a private forum and the bubbling-thingy.

OK, let's go for some explanation:
C/C++ doesn't need much explanation I suppose
APIs/Gamedev seems to be widely spread lately, since most things you do are done with APIs and other things, and it isn't language specific, as well as gamedev. gamedev seems to be a quite big interest inside the YPN lately too.
ASM, BASIC don't need much of a explanation either.
Perl/Bash etc. are mostly used for system scripting, They do a awsome job in most linux distros, and can do big jobs quite well, I think they're worth to cover.
PHP is the most used language for web devel (server side). ASP is too, but I haven't seen more than 2 people in here so far trying to use ASP. So I think PHP is worth to include too.
WebDevel and WebDesign are quite useful imho, since it's not easy to get a good design on big pages, which should look good and should still provide lost of informations. I often need help for this, and in most cases I find solutions for this, even if not in the YPN. Since they're 2 _really_ big components of the Web, I think we should have these 2 too. I didn't include PHP in here, because PHP isn't only used in WebDevel, but also for scripts not involved with the web.
The Project forum should be there for the projects to exchange ideas, and communicate with each other, and also for project planning.
The rest is just the usual.
Any comments?
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but thats heaps of forums, i though we wanted to keep numbers down, else i like it, whats java fit into, and delphi? what about batch???
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ok, no offence, but have you ever seen somebody in the YPN coding batch? I think if there is somebody, it belongs into the Shell Script section. That's only my op tho.
The java stuff should go into WebDev section. Even if it isn't used in WebDev only, mostly used for webdev. Again, my op only.
I'm still open for suggestions tho
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I still think PHP should be included in WebDev, as very few people use it for anything else, afaik.

Yeah, I fully agree with you. But to be honest, what is the real problem with having, say, 10 forums? [addsig]

There is a problem with deciding what languages that are "major". This means the mob will rule, C++, PHP and VB, while minorities are being places in the "Forth, Lisp, SML and other useless language forum". That's no fun. Even though I admit that some languages simply aren't discussed alot. I think most of the YPN people need to discover new languages and ways of programming. Including myself.

Mox:
I wouldn't have a problem with 10 forums. They should maybe just be btter aligned and sorted than now. With some questions I really have trouble choosing in which forum they belong now. Especially API or programing language independant questions make me trouble.
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To be honest, I would not even mind to have 50 forums. What is the problem with a forum that is not used?

We could even implement the option for registered users to create new forums if they want. And then we simply move all forums that have not been posted to in, say, two months to another page, called "older/inactive forums". If somebody posts to them they are moved back to the active list.

I mean, there is really no problem with that. People will simply not post to useless forums that are not needed, so they will disappear after some time in the inactive list. This could be done by a trivial php script and would take _no_ administrator time.

Heh, I like this idea [addsig]

well, if you'd like that, please do so... I don't have to administrate it lateron
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lets do moxs' idea.

ok, why not.
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doesn't sound like a bad idea. however, maybe we should maybe put the most active forums on top of the others in their category.. it would make it easier imo.