I would like to release our first partyfish beta within the next few days. Why? Simple:
I've got a guy who is very much interested in it! ok, oyu all know that guy, yes. It's abhi. As you may know, his community has fallen. I've heard about it, and since I could imagine how heck hard it is if a community you're working on hard falls, I offered him my help. He said that he would appreciate it (at least the engine), so I would like to release a beta pretty soon, so he can look at it, and that people see how hard we have been working.
And, if we release a beta, there will be no news for it. I think we should only post a news if we have the final version done
Anyways, since our "deadline" (only a virtual one tho...) has been set to the end of this month (september), I think we should release a beta.
Anybody disagreeing with this?

oh, btw, I've renamed the sasquatch project in the proj section to "Partyfish". Should I also make a post in the general YPN forum and announce the name change?
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Yes, announce in the bbs and IRC, and release a beta, I like that idea, well both actually
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I announced the name change in IRC for now... I'll post a thread in general YPn later this evening.
And, does anybody have anything against me helping abhi with his programmer community?
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Peer review is still the best way to burn the bugs.

And, sure, give abhi our engine, it's still GPLed afaik, so we can hardly not give it away. I just wonder what he needs it for now that his community failed. Bet it wasn't about the webengine they used. Wasn't abhi the guy that some people complained about because he simply copied our ideas? Well, I'm just curious, I don't have anything against competition.

Release it, I always appreciate a growing user/tester/developer base. [addsig]

actually, he's not a competitor, and he neither stole our ideas.
OK, lemme explain it:
in early 2000, abhi created a programmer community called "progsnet". After that the YPn was started. Abhi joined the YPN somewhen in early/mid 2001, and ofcourse in his profile he had the link to his own programmer community. I mean, it's his webpage anyways, fabs saw that page, and without bothering about the date "progsnet" has been created, fabs thought that abhi stold his (more or less) idea and got hell angry. This lead into a war, which did't last for too long. Abhi explained me everything after a few weeks. Anyhow, his community is a "Programmers Network", wheras we are the "Young Programmers Network", which is a big diff imho.
so, then I didn't hear about abhi for quite a while, and some days ago, when I looked at his page again, there was PHPnuke, and no programmer community anymore. I talked about this with seunosewa (or however you spell it), and he told me about everything I wrote in my last post. The the story continued as above, and I decided to help him out, first with giving him the PHP Engine for his site (his old own engine was .... well... crap ), and most probably help him as a OP there too. Not sure about the last part tho, but I think I will try to help him in that way too. Call me a traitor if you want, but I can't see how one's dream is dieing away, and I'm just looking at it, even if I could help.
That's all about it
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Hell, believe me, I won't call you a traitor for that. I will support you.

You know, YPN is where I come from, if you want to put it like that, but I won't stay a "young" programmer very long. Actually, I already feel like this is not anymore the right place for me because of my age. So, I'm very glad that people of my age and older keep the spirit alive in a Programmer's Network. Rebuilding it from ground up is probably the best opinion to join, don't you think?

When I asked about abhi "stealing" ideas, I simply qouted what I remembered from some message on this board. It was not my opinion, I was just curious about it. So, if help is needed, I'm there. ´

Maybe we can even talk to him about the name. New game, new name, I'd say [addsig]

yeah. anyways, I will try to get a direct contact with abhi for now, because it's still going over seunosewa. I write mails to him, seunosewa tells me what abhi said... I'll first have to get a stable connection to bim, then we can talk on about this
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Yer, we wont be young forever, we need somewhere to graduate to.
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I will, maybe not too soon, but for sure, leave the YPN someday, too. SilentStrike is also kinda old, moxx is, govt is... I think abhi's page would be a great place for retired YPNers
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well, retired makes you sound old, where as graduation is when you become a adult, its a little less shock to the oldness in our system
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I think im over programmers mid life crisis, so back to codin and makin my YSN
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you always say that you will code for it, but what the heck are you coding there always?
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Makin not coding
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Im writin tuts, stuff like that, and waitin for partyfish beta so i can use it, also trin to get cvs workin again.
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good luck with that CVS thingy
we could _really_ use some bugreporst, because I don't really have much time to test stuff atm
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same for me. bugfixing keeps me from working on the mb...and I really want to get that thing done, soon. [addsig]

same for me
I wanted to get the search engine done about 1 week ago, but other (more important) functions of partyfish and bugfixes kept me from even starting it... I hope I can start it this weekend
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[13:03] <kage-chan> sacah's prob is that windows is simply to stupid to see if the images are in binary format or not
[13:04] <kage-chan> in UNIX you don't have this prob, since there is nothing such a binary files


Ok, I have a few rebutals.

Its not windows itself thats convertin it, its the 3rd party cvs program i use, and its a 3rd party ssh client i use, nothin to do with windows, If I made a crap cvs client for linux and suprise suprise it didnt work, using your logic i could then say linux is too stupid to use cvs.

Second, the reason the pictures dont work is because its followin stanards, its not ment to guess what file format it is and phase it accordengly, its just suppose to download it, for once a windows program is followin standards and you dis it for that, make up your mind.

Ultimatly the server needs a file on it tellin the cvs client what file extentions to treat as binary ones, this is how the cvs system has been designed.

Or, I can make a batch file, and tell it manually every file to dl in binary format.
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No, im not angry, just cant let kagez get one up on me
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ok, the file is transfered as a text file to your PC. CVS' fault, yes
but, in the end effect, it's windows that can't handle non-binary image files
ok, I don't wanna argue with you, sorry.
Let's just drop this and be friends again
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actually, its the fact that the cvs client changed unix newlines to windows newlines, thats where the problem is, I was tring to get a cvs source code so i could change it, cause i made my own program to convert text files only, but i cant seem to find any.
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As always Windows gets the blame, because you so want to dis it, and you lay blame on other things, trin to make it look like windows fault. I could do the same for linux, but im know better.
d-:

So, what do you think of the TPU thing, really? I think it should go ahead, will increase our traffic a bit if they agree on our princibles, which i dont see why they wouldnt.

And yes, dont rush things, we got a few months to organise things.

okok, I'm sorry about that stupid windows stuff.... let's drop it really now!

I also think that we should join forces with the TPU. Up to now they also seem to be quite OK (ok, still didn't hang out in their chan much, but it seems quite ok up to now ).
But, we should _really_ take time to talk and discuss that one.
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i agree... we should jsut make sure they don't "eat" us or anything cause they were founded a bit earlier
i'm really fond of the ypn as it's now, and while i'm open for change, i wouldn't want to see it all just lost.

the only thing I don't like is that smykerdov or however he was called said that our partyfish was like from stone-age...

So, I think it will be among the first sacrifices to make. And, call it irrational or not, I just would like to see partyfish running for the YPN. [addsig]

Personally from the irc logs i read of that speeaaefdasfdsfdsf dude, (You know who i speak of) he dont know much, but hes trin to seem like he knows a lot, due to it being our first meeting really, he wants us to think hes smart therefore cool, Personally, I would love to bebut his arguments about php and partyfish, but i was asleep at the time
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We can only accept this dude for what hes worth, we stick to partyfish, and young, and GPL(did i spell that right (-: ) only, those are our grounds for joining, if they dont like them, leave them.

But i would like to see us join.

ok, but in 2 points he is right:
PHP is _slow_. it really is. I can't fight against that argument, since it is damned true they use some java stuff tho... even slower afaik... but, I don't wanna argue with em about such small things.
and, php4 isn't GPLed.... it should not behold us from using php4, but that's a fact too.... it's QPLed, because of the zend engine

as said above, we should focus more on the important things. the engine is optional for not. we could even use simple HTML in the beginning, or even CGI
we should more think of something _what_ we wanna do together with em. I, ofcourse don't wanna loose the YPN. So I thought we could create something new together with em. Smerdjakov (or whatever that name was ) also said that that would be a reasonable idea
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well, php is not slow compared to the other dynamic server side languages, its error phaser is good, if it was able to tell the errors we make it would be hella slow.

Dont think i explained this well, but who cares.

lets see where it leads us

Hm, haven't heard about this before. Weird thing that they were founded in '96 but I still couldn't find them when I was really trying hard to find some young programmer community (all I found was YPR, and the rest is history, as they say ).

KaGez: That's a practical contradiction - the fact that we'd create something new with TPU doesn't save us from losing YPN. How would that work?

I've got to read up on how the TPU works at least, and check how far they've developed... so don't expect any ideas from me as yet.

Peter:
erm.... "make something new together" = "create something involved with programming, but which can still leave the YPN and the TPU exist on this world." I didn't say a _single_ word about trashing the YPN. actually, I also mentioned the exact opposite.
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He argued against PHP saying "every language that can cause segfaults is ridiculous". Personally I never got a segfault with PHP, maybe I should start a coding contest on this.

My doubts where argued down by saying: "I'm a computer science researcher and know of languages that save you time". Sensing that any rational discussion would be possible for me from that point on, I ended the argument saying: "You know more than me, I won't argue".

It was also suspicous that he always said: "what I have done", "what I have in mind". He mentioned "I" so often that I sometimes wondered if he was the only member of tpu who just joined 8000 times over the years.

Whatever, it was not as bad as it may sound now, but it was not love on first sight, you know [addsig]

KaGez: I thought that by "making something new together", you meant a new community. I know you mentioned the opposite of thrashing the YPN; that is why I said it's a contradiction. Now I get that it's not about the communities but something totally different.

I must say, I'm not very impressed by their website or their articles. If partyfish is stone age, their stuff is jurassic . However, I won't criticize, I think it's great that young programmers organize. I wish them good luck, just like I'd say to TGHome (although TPU is a quite ahead TG, of course).

I agree with mox... as long as their "leader" doesn't trash his pride (at least a _little_ bit) we won't get very far
And, I agree about their webpage... I got quite annoyed when he said how great it is etc. IMHO that page is even worse than the crappy sasquatch runnin here now...
anyways, we should try to get something done with them in some form...
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Let's make friends with just to see how the interest in tpu is. Some of them have begun to appear on our chan and I'll visit theirs regularly from now on. [addsig]

Hey, sasquatch isn't crappy . certainly not. of course, it's not pro, but it has served us quite well.

ok, it isn't crappy, but compared to the new one imho. wasn't meant that sasq itself is crappy
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that's a big difference. of course partyfish 0wnz sasquatch . but sasquatch isn't crappy because of that

what reminds me that we have still a lot of work with partyfish. I'll get back to it tonight, but we'll need some helping hands if we really want to get it useful until end of this month. Acutally, I think we should plan another month... [addsig]

Peter:
btw, are you still working on the projects section? if so, I'd be happy to see something in the CVS repository

Moxx:
true.... I inspired geqo to finish off his shoutbox (he already said that several times tho ). I will try to get somebody interested into the team. Somebody who I know, and who I know that I can rely on.
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KaGez: oh, yeah, sorry but I forgot to put it in cvs. atm I'm sick and I stayed home from school, and as I obviously didn't plan my disease, I left the laptop in school on Wednesday.. however I'll try to work some on the thing "virtually", here at home.. I'll upload to cvs as soon as I get my hands on the laptop . that is, monday.

I agree to taking another month for partyfish.. I'll do my best to do as many things as possible the coming period.

for now we leave the "dead line" I think.... if we don't make it, we can still extend it
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