I want you all to look at the latest news on the front page of the YPN. It's a very importaint news, so please everybody read it.
Thank you
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Hmm, who's this japanese guy? Never heard of him...and why is he interested in helping us? And why do we get space on a server of some government?

Recently I heard ppl on the chan talking of a redircetion of the idea behind YPN? To what solution did you come? [addsig]

"niibe yutaka"? i know that name... i think i read about him in the "Linux Magazin"... cool

So, who is that guy? What does he do? And most important: Why is he willing to help us? [addsig]

MoX:
we (fabs actually) asked the GNU foundation for it's help, because this server is the last shit you could get for a project like this when it grows, if you know what I mean (for example bandwidth limit, not too fast line and so on).
So, Richard Stallman (fabs wrote to him) sent a mail to all his japanese supporters, which of he was one who replied. And now we'ree about to move there. But that's not too interesting for the memaber I htink
The interesting part for the users will be:
We will disallow any kind of programs that don't come with sources (as far as I understood it). No, not because we're getting hosted by a GNU member (that too tho ). It's because this is a community where you should _learn_ actually Tha's imposible with closed source, so no sources, no entry. It will most probably be the same for the message board too.... still unclear... if you're really interested, read the logs on http://www.fabs.tk. Thos are the logs that we've taken while discussing this in the channel
[addsig]

Good stuff.

I just wanted to say, you can learn quite a lot from closed source too, I find closed source more fun too
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sacah:
you're great .... so what can you learn from closed source?
(nono, we won't argue we're just playing as usual )

OK, looks like I got some informations wrong for the news & this topics, but after gniibe entered it personally I think everything should be clear

Anyways, we talked about this in the IRC chan a bit (sacah, Peter and I). The topics was something like "will we be disallowed to post closed source programs?". Then answer is simple and short:
"yes" but this isn't because we get hosted by a GNU member. We had this policy from the beginning, but after moving to the new server we will probably be a bit harder. For example (this is just my op, andnot what we decided, yet) that we for example also disallow links to closed source programs. You know, I say this over and over, but we are a programmers community where peoples should learn, and not look at some cute spinning rectangles and wonder how it works. No, everybody should be able to learn from _everything_ on this site. It is _impossible_ with programs with closed sources, because you can't look into the program's code and look for a solution or even learn from it. If you want to write closed source programs, go to another place and post them there, where nobody cares about learning.
What we basically want from _all_ members is that they understand the advantages (and disadvantages) of OpenSource, and not only one of those 2. That's all we want. After you understand it, do what you think is better for you. If it's OpenSource wou're welcom to stay with us and maybe get some help from the members in here, if it's ClosedSource you can go to other places where sources don't matter That's all I want from this community. I want to spread the understanding of OpenSource, and want the ppls actually learn from what we did before. That's all, nothing more and nothing less Isn't too much, is it?
Ofcourse, everybody should have fun, and not sit there alone. That's why it is a _community_
I hope you understand what I want
[addsig]

Yes, I would agree closed source stuff here would lollipop, it kinda misses the point, really, what this group (YPN) is aiming for is very close to what this gnu mates want/live/strive for, so even if we had to curve to their structure in order to gain hostin etc, we would already be pretty much there.

All that needs changin is ppl like me.
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Like thats gona happen!

we're not gonna change anybody.. we just want your understandings, and nothing more
it's up to you what you do with your knowledge. nobody forces you to do anything we tell you
But, I think many peoples will change their mind after seeing what OpenSource really is. Not completely, but they'll change at least a bit
I think you also changed a bit since the first time you came here
[addsig]

I changed alright, I knock Linux a ton more, Gained a new love for Windows, learnt ASM(Well, really started learning).
And of course meet Kagez
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Who would not be changed after that encounter.

will people be allowed to use OpenSource as a synonym for "Free Software" (and support opensource) once we're on the gnu server? or will that make rms delete all of his emails with fabs', cancel the account on the server etc.?

Well, disallowing closed source programs would be rather biggoted, and would really serve no purpose. I don't know if you've thought of this (No, I didn't think you would) but just disallowing the link won't force someone to cough up the code, so why penalize someone for exercising their right not to practice communism?

Ok, so anyway you should've realized I would've replied to that, and the communism thing is SORT OF a joke... [addsig]

Ooohh, and to sacah: Amen, brotha! We can team up and bash OpenSource and Linux together, all-the-while converting people to windows like Jahova's Witnesses on crack [addsig]

I believe any form of censorship that is political in that way is exactly the kind of thing that a true hacker should be campaigning against.
If you think you can promote an idea just by blocking all others, then you're just thinking like one of them.

-KEN-:
don't you see that you're making a absolute fool of yourself?
Closed Source has _absolutely no_ good things for learning from it. If you don't have the source, you can't learn from a program. If you don't want to learn, I don't see a reason for you being here.
[addsig]

lol, u da man ken
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though I would say I cant understand why anyone would really post a closed source program on YPN. I dont mind if they ban it or not, but how oftern does it happen, I have not seen it since I've been here, so why are we all of the sudden talkin about it?

Are we havin a heated discussion over somethin that does not really matter?

Hope this helps, and makes sense.

lol
That reminds me of when the september 11 attacks happend, and they could not find old Osama mate, they suggested sendin in the Jahova Witnesses(They can find anyone)
One other dude suggested tellin his mother that Osama cut cardboard with the good scissors.

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